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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:41 am

which is your equivilant to our infantry, i think what really gives you the advantage is the vast amount of people you have
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:44 am

Okay, numbers is a great advantage we have, but we also have newer, better weapons and gear.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:46 am

better weapons? better gear lol? our camo is the best there is and our sa80s are the most benificial firearm to use in a modern army, anyway i will have to carry this discussion on monday as i got to get ready now for london lol cheers for the power talk lol talk soon take care
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:48 am

Thanks, man, you too. Have fun in London! Smile

But while I'm thinking about it, yes, the SA80 a.k.a. L85 is an excellent weapon, but it is miles away from being the best in modern warfare. Yes, I give it a standing ovation for using a bullpup design, but it fires the inferior 5.56mm NATO round. I realize our M16 does as well, but our various special forces units also use rifles chambered in the 6.8mm intermediate round, which combines the best of the 5.56mm realm with the best of the 7.62mm world. You also use DPM, a camoflauge that is nearly 30 years old, if I remember correctly. DPM is also vastly inferior to the digital camo the Canucks came up with, and even more so to MARPAT. Digital is where it's at nowadays. We also came up with the PALS system, and the MICH-2000 helmet.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:40 am

And the M-1 Abrams, the F-22 Raptor, the SR-71 Blackbird, the HUMVEE... the list goes on. We also invented the nuke and the 747 that can shoot down a nuke. I'll just say that if it ever comes to total war, the US would be a "Watch your language" good place to be. For the time being, it is a unipolar world we live in.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:01 am

Do we really need to get into a Royal Army V. the United states Military thing.

The US and Great Britain are allies, that's good enough for me. But, and not to feed fuel to the fire, I would like to post a real story from my website.

In 1917, the 5th Marine Regiment was part of the initial component of the American Expeditionary Force sent to France during the First World War. When the Marines began to prepare for combat under the tutelage of French veterans, the American commander was astonished to find no time on the training syllabus for rifle marksmanship. He was smugly told that there was no place for the individual rifleman in modern warfare because machine guns and massed artillery firing from deep trench lines were the arms of decision on the western Front. The stubborn Marines, however, rejected this tenet and quickly added rifle marksmanship to the training schedule even though the French officers shook their heads in disbelief as such a waste of time. Not long thereafter, the Allies defense lines were shattered by a surprise German offensive. Soon, the French army was in full retreat and a German juggernaut was headed straight for Paris with its way unblocked by the trench lines, machine-gun pits, or artillery batteries. Into this breach marched the 5th Marines. When a distraught French major ordered the 51st Company to fall back, marine captain Lloyd Williams replied, "Retreat, "Watch your language"! We just got here."

The next day the lead units of the Kaiser's army approached Belleau Wood located less than forty miles from the suburbs of Paris, so close that the German artillery spotters could pick out the Eiffel Tower and the spires of Notre Dame cathedral with their binoculars. German scouts were suddenly taken under fire and more than a few fell to the ground, victims of astoundingly accurate rifle fire, as they neared Les Mares Farm. The German commander then did what had worked so well for the last few weeks; he ordered a frontal assault, expecting the inexperienced and out-gunned Americans to turn tail and run. Wave after wave of feld Grau-clas preussian Guards were cut down as they advanced through the wheat by well-placed shots from American M1903 Springfield rifles. Les Mares farm turned out to be the closest the Germans got to Paris during the First World War. The Tide of the war had been turned with the help of Don't use the Lord's name in vain. and a few Marines-men who knew how to make every shot count.

~Taken Directly from John J. Culbertson's book, 13 Cent Killers which is the tale on the 5th Marine snipers in Vietnam.

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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:51 pm

Yeah sorry to offend but the royal marines are decades ahead of US forces, and the sole reason for that is population. Americas armies are trained to think without question, follow orders without question weres the RM are trained to think, they have THE longest and most intense infantry basic training in IN THE WORLD.
In the US there is a massive population pool to drive from so they use the philosophy "screw going around the wall were gonna go over it, even if 90% of the force dies in the proces...becouse guess what? theres more behind them" RM are trained to go around it.
The US also has a very strong propaganda network in place for it's soldiers (im not saying it's bad) that makes them think they are the best, sure becouse hey you throw enough at somthing it will break. (Ah and AFU let's not forget which modern army has for decades believed in the spray and pray method, only recently has US forces dropped full auto becouse it's pointless)

I leave you to tihnk about this...What happens if the US'es satalite network is knocked out?..Will th US still have one of the storngest millatary forces? (missile guidence, navigation, drones, intel, ect)
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:46 pm

We do depend a heckuva lot on technology, yes, but I believe we could still make do without it. It would be difficult, mind you, but not impossible.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:20 pm

Without big bombs wars becoume based on who can put more people on the field...I do not want to be alive for that war
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:28 pm

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In the US there is a massive population pool to drive from so they use the philosophy "screw going around the wall were gonna go over it, even if 90% of the force dies in the proces...becouse guess what? theres more behind them" RM are trained to go around it.
The US also has a very strong propaganda network in place for it's soldiers (im not saying it's bad) that makes them think they are the best, sure becouse hey you throw enough at somthing it will break. (Ah and AFU let's not forget which modern army has for decades believed in the spray and pray method, only recently has US forces dropped full auto becouse it's pointless)

I must disagree. My dad was a Marine and let me tell you, every single Marine from the lowest private to the highest general is first and foremost a rifleman. It doesn't matter is your in the Marine band, your still taught to shoot on a fanatical level.

But arguing is pointless. Of course someone from Great Britain will think the RA is better and someone from America will think their army is better. Nothing any of us will say is going to change that. And there is no proof of any kind to support the "facts" for either argument.

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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:49 pm

Yes there is proof, below a quote from some former marines

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As a former US Marine I have to give the man to man edge to the Royal Marines. In the case of the USMC we are talking about a force of over 150,000 with a 12 week basic training program to the UK's Commando force of about 6,000 with a 30 week commando course. Even though a certain degree of political correctness has hit even the Royal Marines it still turns out some of best trained individuals in the world. I can also speak from some personal experience, having been to Norway twice on joint training exercises with the Royal Marines. The edge of course goes to the USMC In terms of equipment and raw firepower. But even if they had the money it is doubtful they would have enough bodies pass the training to keep the Marine Corps up to strength. A similar comparison could be made between the US 82nd Airborne and the UK Parachute Regiment. anybody who has been through the US army's jump school , and is honest, will admit to it not that difficult, keep you boots shined, learn how to fall down correctly and get through some not very difficult PT. Compare that to the selction course you have to go through just to get into the Paras. Also unlike the US the UKs jump school is not some ticket punching course for officers who will probaly never jump again after they leave Airborne school. For my money the UK Para and Royal Marines turn out some of the Best Infantry in the world and definitely the best in Europe.


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I'm an ex Marine, and they're 100% better than the US SEALS. The SEALS are "Watch your language" lazy, they make a big deal out of "Watch your language" everything. The Royal Marines are much more efficiant, and more disciplined.
The Royal Marines and the SAS are THE best. The top dogs.


Another difference can be seen in thier recruitng

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the Royal Marine recruiting ads in magazines are black and white with big tough guys throwing, crying, and lieng collapsed on the ground. now right from the start the RM aren't going to get anybody there just cause they want a job or change of life, or because they want glory, they are going to get guys willing to go through "Watch your language", yet still many get weeded out at commando course. The USMC are very well trained, and the best equipped, but man-on-man they are not as good as the RM.


Below is the newest US marine recruitment video


And heres the newest RM



But to be honost it doesnt matter as long as thier guns are pointed in the same direction
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:57 pm

Like I said, no factual proof to back up that claim. Those ads were designed for a purpose and don't reflect on the Marines or the RA. And you are taking 1 mans experience and claim as proof.

I'm sorry, but to get me to believe you, you'll need a case study backing you up. Because I know many Marines which helps to ground my opinions.

US marines are "Watch your language" good soldiers and as a whole force they are much different when compared to Royal Marines. US marines are an entire amphibious force with their own aircraft carriers, artillery etc. The Royal Marines however are a much more smaller and specialist force.
Their training program is the longest and some say hardest in the world with the Royal Marine course taking 32 weeks and officer training standing at 54 weeks! All this even before they begin specialist training, such as becoming mountain leaders, snipers etc etc.

As a smaller force or a one on one situation Id but the RM commandos way ahead of the US Marines but as a larger unit then the US marines are massively resourced and powerful. (Thats hard for me to say as well as Im American)


At the end of the day, both units cross train a lot and we're fighting the same wars so.....(Not my words, taken from the internet)

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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:03 pm

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Like I said, no factual proof to back up that claim. Those ads were designed for a purpose and don't reflect on the Marines or the RA. And you are taking 1 mans experience and claim as proof.

I'm sorry, but to get me to believe you, you'll need a case study backing you up. Because I know many Marines which helps to ground my opinions.

US marines are "Watch your language" good soldiers and as a whole force they are much different when compared to Royal Marines. US marines are an entire amphibious force with their own aircraft carriers, artillery etc. The Royal Marines however are a much more smaller and specialist force.
Their training program is the longest and some say hardest in the world with the Royal Marine course taking 32 weeks and officer training standing at 54 weeks! All this even before they begin specialist training, such as becoming mountain leaders, snipers etc etc.

As a smaller force or a one on one situation Id but the RM commandos way ahead of the US Marines but as a larger unit then the US marines are massively resourced and powerful. (Thats hard for me to say as well as Im American)


At the end of the day, both units cross train a lot and we're fighting the same wars so.....(Not my words, taken from the internet)

I think I'm moving to the UK now...
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:43 pm

Whats wrong with Minnesota? I sure as heck can't think of anything annoying or wrong with my state.......but of course i live hear.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:44 pm

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Whats wrong with Minnesota? I sure as heck can't think of anything annoying or wrong with my state.......but of course i live hear.

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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:52 pm

HAHA Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:59 pm

HAHAHA What is the defining part of my accent because when i talk to people from other states i sound the same. Maybe its because i say "Pop" instead of soda.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:55 pm

My family being from Texas, we all call soda "Coke". This can lead to some rather interesting discussions at school, haha
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:27 pm

Things I hate about the US.

-Literally not one unifying culture.... At least not now...
-I can't go to a party without seeing alcohol or drugs these days, and even worse than that. Kids who don't know their limits with both substances.
-Rock sucks now.
-Only a few good hardcore/hardstyle DJ's(compared to the DJ's in the UK/ex empire).
-Crappy rave scene based around rolling/cocain....
-Everyone and their brother is a wigger, but have not seen the inside of a crack house ever....
-crappy airsoft scene(compared to europe).
-crappy government, and gun laws.
-High poverty rates... Atleast they are high over here in ohio.
-rap went to the crapper in the early 2000's... Forcing me to like Techno Laughing .

I could go on...

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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:47 am

HAHAHA I have heard a my Texian cousins say that they want a coke when i ask them what they want to drink.

Where im at we only have one "Wigger" and literally his name is Wanker. So we just shun him from social activities.
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:50 am

Haha, the parents must have had something in for their child when they named him Wanker.
Yeah, Texans say some really funny things, not gonna lie. For example, the phrase "you ain't just whistling Dixie". Or "Piggy's comin' outta the kitchen" (my uncle says the last one)
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:57 am

HAHAHA thats his last name........What does that last phrase MEAN!
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:00 am

Ah, the last phrase is just kind of a thing he does to mock his sister. She used to refer to her dog as Piggy, and she would often scream "Piggy's comin' outta the kitchen!" It's one of those sort of deals where you just have to be there, I guess
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:15 am

whats wrong with maine? Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Racists, Bangers, Terminator, and McDonalds...   Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:52 pm

Hmm... Maine.... Too much grass, for one... y'all say "wicked" too much.... and you say "idear". Haha, I have a friend from Maine, so that's what I'm basing that off of
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