Is this a good quality gun for the price?

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=28321{3}167

above I have the link... I was wondering if this was a good buy for the money... and i was thinking of getting an upgraded spring to make it shoot 400 or 450 FPS
but i don't now if the gun can handle the increased power... plus i don't know what type of spring it better

If you could please give me some advise or something thanks

G&G makes great stuff, however, if you're looking for power i'd look into KWA. Their guns shoot around 400fps right out of the box (CQB models are more like 350fps) and internally they are stronger then G&Gs.

Wow, ilft99, you sure do swear by KWA. They're that good, eh?

Well..... I really like waht G&G makes.... i'm not looking for power, i just want it to go about 400 which i could just use an upgraded spring right?

One other thing, This G&G is full metal it says on the "Features" and the KWA are plastic.... and i don't want to spend more money on metal receivers and stuff when i can get the G&G and buy a spring

Jarhead999 76 65 wrote:

Wow, ilft99, you sure do swear by KWA. They're that good, eh?

In my humble opinion they sure are lol.

95. 400fps is power, KWAs shoot that out of the box with no spring upgrades like you may have to do with that G&G if you want to shoot 400fps. I don't know where you're getting your info on KWAs but it's flat out wrong. KWAs are full metal except for their G36C which has a plastic body just like the real steel version. I personally own a KWA M4A1 and the body is metal, only plastic furnishings they have are the handgurads, pistol grip, stock (not the shaft just the stock), and a little button that i forget the name of on the right side of the gun that does nothing. The first three items are plastic on the real gun.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_223&products_id=28993
Like this one... i don't see any were it says metal


EDIT: i found one http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_223&products_id=31647
but a little higher price... but then agian it shoots 420+


Here is the Spring i was thinking of getting for the GR16 http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=31457
It should work shouldn't it?

Yes both of those are full metal even though Evike doesn't list the first one as being so. Personally i think the little bit extra is money well spent. I play with two people that have stock G&Gs and my stock KWA outperforms them. Now i have nothing against G&G, like i said they are nice guns and i wouldn't hesitate to buy one as another gun. But KWA honestly puts out some of the best none PTW/CTW AEGs on the market.


Yes that spring would work.

Keep in mind that FPS IS NOT EVERYTHING!

True but if you play outdoors it's nice for the extra range and really nice for cutting through bushes and stuff. I've gotten so many people out because their softer shooting gun couldn't cut through bushes and thick areas of twigs while mine easily punched through and got them. I do think anything over like 420fps or so for a none DMR type AEG is overkill with the potential to be kinda dangerous.

@ilft99 - It's called a "forward assist"

On topic, if it were me, I'd go with the more accurate/better ROF/better externals. As DrummerBoyz pointed out, FPS is not everything. I'd rather have a very accurate gun that shot at 300 FPS than an inaccurate one that shot 425 FPS. Not my decision though.

Ah yeah that's right, had forward assist nagging in the back of my brain. Thanks.

Here is the same gun but diffrent butt stock...
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_218&products_id=28322 but which is better a solid stock or a movible one?

EDIT: um the reason i don't want a KWA is that i don't want a gun mor powerful than 400 FPS because of the field regulations.
and I just plain like the G&G better for some reason... i feel more safe with them

Solid stock is better (in my opinion), because you don't need the battery in a crappy PEQ-2 box or inside the handguard.

The original G&G you linked is a good choice. My friend (CyberTech001 on this forum) has the same model and it has excellent range, RoF, and accuracy. A full stock will accommodate a large-type battery, so I'd recommend that over anything else. My friend uses an 8.4v battery, but it's sturdy enough to run a 9.6v easily. It comes with a vertical grip and two rail covers, all of which are good (but not top) quality and are good for accuracy, mobility, and ergonomics. You'll get your best performance out of that gun when using precision .20g BB's. My friend has this sight on his, and it's just awesome in its looks and performance.

@br55ftw
Well i can see what you mean... i didn't think about the PEQ box
thanks!

@Omega Lambda
I was going to get the upgraded spring so it will shoot 400 FPS
but ya... what you said sounds like i have the gun i want

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@Omega Lambda
I was going to get the upgraded spring so it will shoot 400 FPS
but ya... what you said sounds like i have the gun i want

You definitely do. I have a G4-A5 DMR (G&G base gun) and it is amazing.
ROF is great, FPS is superb at 360, and the build is brilliant.

Spl. Durkee wrote:

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@Omega Lambda
I was going to get the upgraded spring so it will shoot 400 FPS
but ya... what you said sounds like i have the gun i want

You definitely do. I have a G4-A5 DMR (G&G base gun) and it is amazing.
ROF is great, FPS is superb at 360, and the build is brilliant.

Do you know how to install springs? or should i just try to get evike to put the new spring on there before they ship it?

95 wrote:

Spl. Durkee wrote:

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@Omega Lambda
I was going to get the upgraded spring so it will shoot 400 FPS
but ya... what you said sounds like i have the gun i want

You definitely do. I have a G4-A5 DMR (G&G base gun) and it is amazing.
ROF is great, FPS is superb at 360, and the build is brilliant.

Do you know how to install springs? or should i just try to get evike to put the new spring on there before they ship it?

Ya unless you or a friend know gearboxes well...don't try doing it yourself.
You'll end up like I did: lots of little parts all over my living room...I'm still finding pieces to this day.

Either find someone that knows what they're doing or ship it to a airsmith (Evike or ASGI or othe retailer with upgrade service)

If you really want a stiffer spring in that gun and want to get it from Evike, here's what I'd recommend: M120 upgrade service, battery, smart charger (if you don't already have one), and if you wish, a very versatile red dot sight. This sight works night and day and is completely invisible from outside the lens. When ordering from Evike, watch out for the coupon code box. The best coupon codes are "freeship" (which gives you free shipping) and "rocket" (which takes 15% off your order price not including shipping).

@Omega Lambda
Well doesn't the gun already have the stainless steel metal bushings?
and the sight... i was thinking of getting this one http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=28462

I thought you had to purchase before, you get the coupons? or can i still use them

The G&G Should include bushings and it should also be factory shimmed. Normally I still check the shims when I get any new gun, and if I plan on using a LiPO battery, i'll go ahead and order 7-8mm shell with bearings.

Changing the spring will work. Just make sure if you buy a ridiculously tight spring (M150+), you also upgrade to hi-torques (motor and gears).

What kind of FPS do you want your gun to have?
What kind of accuracy? (specify spread diameter at 150')
What kind of RoF? (RpS)

Lone Wolf wrote:

The G&G Should include bushings and it should also be factory shimmed. Normally I still check the shims when I get any new gun, and if I plan on using a LiPO battery, i'll go ahead and order 7-8mm shell with bearings.

Changing the spring will work. Just make sure if you buy a ridiculously tight spring (M150+), you also upgrade to hi-torques (motor and gears).

What kind of FPS do you want your gun to have?
What kind of accuracy? (specify spread diameter at 150')
What kind of RoF? (RpS)

Well.... i wasn't intending on upgrading everything... since the link that Omega posted seamed to be promising with the bushing upgraded and the spring installed
Would i have to upgrade anything else... cause the gun is already really good quality right?


I don't' want the gun to shoot over 420 so I don't go over most field rules... the M120 was the right speed for it
I would like the spread to be... lol idk just so i can hit some ones arm sticking out behind a tree from 150'
The RoF, hmm Iike 18 or more i don't' want it really high cause theres no point i have a cyma M14 it shoots 18 rps and seems fine

There's a balance between RoF and FpS. With a really stiff spring, you have to sacrifice some RoF. That's why I suggested the 8.4v battery, because with the stiffer spring, it will be easier on your internals, so you won't need to upgrade everything else.

As far as that sight goes, I don't have any personal experience with the G&P, so I can't really give a fair comparison. The Matrix seemed to have less parallax than the video review of the G&P suggested that one had, but I can't be sure. I know the Matrix has 4 different reticules, and the G&P doesn't seem to have more than just the one. They both have red/green settings and brightness control, but the Matrix is $30 less. From personal experience, the Matrix has insane battery life. My friend has left it on for days without draining the battery. With those button cells, the G&P wouldn't last a couple of days if left on. Practically speaking, the Matrix is a better deal I'd say, but if you're going for a certain look, that's ok too.

Omega Lambda wrote:

There's a balance between RoF and FpS. With a really stiff spring, you have to sacrifice some RoF. That's why I suggested the 8.4v battery, because with the stiffer spring, it will be easier on your internals, so you won't need to upgrade everything else.

As far as that sight goes, I don't have any personal experience with the G&P, so I can't really give a fair comparison. The Matrix seemed to have less parallax than the video review of the G&P suggested that one had, but I can't be sure. I know the Matrix has 4 different reticules, and the G&P doesn't seem to have more than just the one. They both have red/green settings and brightness control, but the Matrix is $30 less. From personal experience, the Matrix has insane battery life. My friend has left it on for days without draining the battery. With those button cells, the G&P wouldn't last a couple of days if left on. Practically speaking, the Matrix is a better deal I'd say, but if you're going for a certain look, that's ok too.

Not entirely true. The more torque you need, the higher voltage will get you there so load time stress is not magnified on your gears or motor. You can safely put in a LiPo with a M120 without a MOSFET. But its best to be extremely careful and go with a 9.6v.