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PostSubject: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:14 pm

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The topic is unavoidable. Just flip on the TV, pick up a newspaper, or tune into your favored radio news provider.
That's right, the Park51 Muslim Cultural Center in Lower Manhattan. It is a topic that has divided the nation and brought out the worst in both sides.

I'm currently writing my 1st Term research paper on the "macro-sociology and mass media's role in the individual's development of opinion".
I've invited various forums and schools to take part in my free-form response survey...asking their opinions on the matter.

Your response can be as short or as long as you wish. I will not ask any specific question. You will simply write your opinion, whatever you interpret that to mean.
There are no guidelines as to how you present your opinion. There are no specific topics that you need to cite.

All are invited to participate and respond...
...what is your general opinion on the Park51 Muslim Cultural Center and Mosque in New York?

You have the floor.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:35 pm

They have the RIGHT to build there, to build anywhere, to practice their religion.
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I believe it is a slap in the face, especially when you look at the "leaders" of the mosque. So let them build it, but it is still disrespect, and I believe it's wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:29 pm

weren't they gonna build it at ground zero?
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:37 pm

gentry wrote:
weren't they gonna build it at ground zero?
No. The center is slated to be built at 45-51 Park Place, New York, NY 10007.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:21 pm

yeah they should build it where they want too as many of those kind of people in new york they should have a place to worship
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:19 pm

I believe it should be allowed, it is not for the extremist Muslims that hijacked the religion and sent a bad name out for them, it is for teaching Americans what the religion is about and prayer.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:26 pm

I'm going to keep this short.

Not allowing people to construct an Islamic place of worship would only feed the gigantic pile of ignorance that are the people of the United States. Soon the Third Amendment would be re-written and look like this
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof NO MUSLIMS ALLOWED

It's truly a sad generalization. "Oh, you're a MUSLIM?!? Get away from my country you terrorist!"

I'm sure there are Catholic, Jewish, etc. places of worship in Islamic countries...

And that's all I have to say about that.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:34 pm

It's a slap in the face to America for them to even think about building "that thing" there. I know not all Muslims are bad, i've met a few that are really cool, but i can't forget what those who practice Islam also did on 9/11. 110% against this idea.


I can also see this becoming a security risk by being the perfect recruiting center for terrorists.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:52 pm

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yeah they should build it where they want too as many of those kind of people in new york they should have a place to worship

The thing is, there are many, many places nearby they can worship at. They have been asked to move to other spots, but they want it there.

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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:06 pm

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yeah they should build it where they want too as many of those kind of people in new york they should have a place to worship

The thing is, there are many, many places nearby they can worship at. They have been asked to move to other spots, but they want it there.

There are about 8 Muslim centers for prayer, over 40 Christian/Jewish institutions, and approximately 18 non-denomination centers in Manhattan.
(I say "about" and "approximately" because certain centers are not listed as places of worship or are listed as non-affiliate)

I'll be here to throw in some facts throughout the discussion if needed.
If anyone feels at any time that my input appears to be more in favor of one side or you believe my information is incomplete, do tell me...I'm 'sposed to be a moderate party.


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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:22 pm

iliveforthis99 wrote:



I can also see this becoming a security risk by being the perfect recruiting center for terrorists.


but at the same time there are extremists of all religions, ever heard of the extremist Christan group that was going to take out a whole bunch of police in Michigan? Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:36 pm

Very true however there are Muslims blowing themselves up almost every week it seems.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:04 am

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Very true however there are Muslims blowing themselves up almost every week it seems.
Archbishop Atta Allah Hana of Palestine publicly praised and encourages Christian suicide attacks against Israel.
54 Christian suicide attacks originating in Palestine have occurred , as reported by "Human Rights Watch" and admitted by Hamas on their website (in 2009).

Just last month, a respected Christian man placed a parcel bomb in Zamboanga airport (Philippines), killing 2 and injuring 24.
The main target of his attack was Sakura Tan, governor of Sulu Muslim.

Lords Resistance Army (Uganda) insurgents have been known to carry out car-borne suicide attacks on Acholi medical centers.
There are over 3,000 reported deaths in the LRA's religious-based conflicts in Uganda between 2000 and 2010 (2995 killed on 9/11).

Bombing of the US Consulate in Ekaterinburg by Russian Orthodox militants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers-in-afghanistan-g_n_195674.html

...could go on, but that's not my place.


*cough*...the crusades...*cough*
LOL I'm so bad at not picking sides.


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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:41 am

It is a freedom. And of they want to...I guess they can. However, it feels like, and I mean this in no demeaning way, the the Muslims are in a sense like the child testing his parents, to see how far he can push them...to take just ONE more cookie...and if they don't snap, try and take another...

As stated, they have several areas of pray in that area. Leave that one alone.

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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:41 am

They shouldn't make one there. They have another one right down the road that has been there long enough, and has plenty of open spaces. They just want to build this to cause a disruption within our country.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:46 am

iliveforthis99 wrote:
Very true however there are Muslims blowing themselves up almost every week it seems.
Because, being Americans, the news networks only care about the Muslims. Yeah, the networks with any brain also talk about the hundreds of other groups of "terrorists" that aren't Muslim, but they don't make as much money as the ones who cover Muslim bombers.

A while back there was a pair of Chechens that detonated themselves in a packed metro station. That was on the news for about a month, then they went back to Muslims and Nancy Grace's dronings about missing children. [That's another thing, there's about 2,000 minors that go missing every day, yet I still see news networks talking about that girl who disappeared in Aruba five years ago]

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i've met a few that are really cool, but i can't forget what those who practice Islam also did on 9/11. 110% against this idea.
Now that was really hard for me to read. I think I lost a few cells of hope. In case you didn't know, "terrorists" don't "recruit" at holy places of worship. They go to the children of the people whom they themselves probably killed, and tell the children, "The Americans killed your mother! Claim your revenge and fight!" If the child disagrees, they kidnap him and force him to be a suicide bomber.

Let's put this in a new light.
Say there is a factory that makes light bulbs. One day during inspection in this factory, 15 out of a batch of 100 light bulbs turn out to be nonworking. Should the inspector throw away every single light bulb in that batch?

In case you're thinking, "Why the f*ck is he talking about light bulbs?" let me explain. The world is the factory. In one batch of light bulbs, Islam, 15% of Muslims are potential Jihadists. Why would you discard all of them if 85% of them are perfectly fine?
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Another point of mine:

Our American soldiers are (and have been for 9 years) fighting, DYING, for the freedom those people want. Religion, if seen correctly, is a beautiful thing. Being able to connect with an all powerful entity and share your feelings, thank him for your blessings. Personally I don't believe in much of anything, but I fully enthuse congregations[for lack of a better term] to worship whatever, whoever, wherever they want so long as the majority of the group has moral and logical values. Building a traditional structure that dates back a thousand years, made solely for worship and praise, should be a celebrated aspiration, not heavily opposed due to one event.

I hope slob gets on here so he can say it better than I did. I'm only a kid.
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Also, about 4% of Germans were Nazis from the 1930s - 40s. I've seen people say, "Oh I'm German" and right after that be asked, "Was your grandpa a Nazi?" -- such a terrible generalization.


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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:52 am

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*cough*...the crusades...*cough*
LOL I'm so bad at not picking sides.

The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule (after they had taken it over, aka invaded.) and were launched in response to a call from the Christian Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia.

On a popular level, the first crusades unleashed a wave of impassioned, personally felt pious Christian fury that was expressed in the massacres of Jews that accompanied the movement of the Crusader mobs through Europe, as well as the violent treatment of "schismatic" Orthodox Christians of the east. During many of the attacks on Jews, local Bishops and Christians made attempts to protect Jews from the mobs that were passing through. Jews were often offered sanctuary in churches and other Christian buildings.

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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:58 am

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*cough*...the crusades...*cough*
LOL I'm so bad at not picking sides.

The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule (after they had taken it over, aka invaded.) and were launched in response to a call from the Christian Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia.

On a popular level, the first crusades unleashed a wave of impassioned, personally felt pious Christian fury that was expressed in the massacres of Jews that accompanied the movement of the Crusader mobs through Europe, as well as the violent treatment of "schismatic" Orthodox Christians of the east. During many of the attacks on Jews, local Bishops and Christians made attempts to protect Jews from the mobs that were passing through. Jews were often offered sanctuary in churches and other Christian buildings.

I like Wikipedia too Very Happy

No I meant the 10th Crusade, jokingly. Should have elaborated.
"Shock and Awe"? Isn't that what terrorists do?

Just trying to find a way to get more conversation going because I've already pretty much gotten all I need for my paper Very Happy
...but then again, I'm breaking my own rule now haha


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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:00 am

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Yeah, the networks with any brain also talk about the hundreds of other groups of "terrorists" that aren't Muslim, but they don't make as much money as the ones who cover Muslim bombers.

Which ones? I'm very very sick of hearing these things bashing the news, yet no one mentions what they are.

There are terrorists in every group, but RIGHT FRIGGIN NOW, the majority of terrorists are Muslim, at least the ones that "sunk" our two towers.
They also want to open up a Mosque 2 blocks down. SLAP IN THE FACE.

They may have the right, but is it polite?
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:03 am

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Yeah, the networks with any brain also talk about the hundreds of other groups of "terrorists" that aren't Muslim, but they don't make as much money as the ones who cover Muslim bombers.

Which ones? I'm very very sick of hearing these things bashing the news, yet no one mentions what they are.

There are terrorists in every group, but RIGHT FRIGGIN NOW, the majority of terrorists are Muslim, at least the ones that "sunk" our two towers.
They also want to open up a Mosque 2 blocks down. SLAP IN THE FACE.

They may have the right, but is it polite?

Fox News and Fox affiliates (basically everyone...there isn't a major local news agency in California that isn't owned by Fox).
Which is why I watch BBC and other foreign sources.

As someone who works in media at this present time, albeit just a magazine, I see the wrongs that American media has done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCQ4gAAVW2k&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Hm_W783Po&feature=player_embedded


But I digress...


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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:05 am

You keep referring to it as a slap in the face.

The way I see it, this is how a slap in the face works.

1. You do something wrong
2. They slap you in the face
3. The pain lasts 3 seconds, you realize your mistake
4. You get over it and apologize.
5. Issue is dissolved
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:07 am

Fine, they throw rocks at Nickelback. Look it up on youtube. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:09 am

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Fine, they throw rocks at Nickelback. Look it up on youtube. LOL
So muslims are the rock throwers and America is Nickelback? In that case America is the world's shittiest band that everyone hates. My point exactly.
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:10 am

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Creed769 wrote:
Fine, they throw rocks at Nickelback. Look it up on youtube. LOL
So muslims are the rock throwers and America is Nickelback? In that case America is the world's shittiest band that everyone hates. My point exactly.
Mind if I quote that in my report?
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PostSubject: Re: Survey for Research Paper: Share your Opinion!   Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:10 am

I would be honored, Spl.D
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