Psychology predispostions in airsoft.

Subject: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:26 am

So I was actually thinking about researching this in college because I could and it would have huge implications. I will water it down a lot for this forum though. I think it actually is a great topic to discuss. I am sure we will have some contradicting opinions out there because personally I am not sold on a given side.
Who do you think does better. Do not say it depends on the situation either. The power of the situation is no doubt one of the biggest social psychological phenomenons there is, but that is not what I am aiming for here. Which of the following two player types do better when aggregated across all skirmish scenarios assuming all other variables about the person are held constant as controls. This means the only difference is their playing style. Guns and all other equipment are equal, including there playing ability and experience.
1) The person who chooses to move more tactically and may or may not go through as many BB as others. This person would rather wait until just the right moment to take a shot. He may spend a couple of minutes just moving up on people. In every skirmish situation he will try to make others react to him and try not to react himself.
2) The aggressive person who attacks swiftly and steady. You can never seem to hold this guys approach off. You either shoot him or he is shooting at you. This person will hold down a whole team of people without caring if he is alone himself. In fact he would charge into a village of people and surprise them all and do so skillfully.

I know personally somebody who fits both of these extremes and several who fall in the middle. I myself would say 1, but I have loads of evidence personally that would suggest 2 is better.

REMEMBER. Answer one of the extremes when thought about across all situations. And please don't feel intimidated to answer this one. I want to see all of out new members answer too. Surprised

Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:31 pm

well there both equal in kills i think but i think #1 is better. but i will brake it down to explain what i mean.

1: is just as good as two in almost every situation. he can get just as many people out as the #2 is he choses to make his ambush at the right moment. #1's stories are spread among noobs as a thing of terror. the whole game they will be watching every bend. or every bush waiting for him to spring his trap. the time that he will strike is when they get tired of anticipating every bush or bend. he will eliminate the whole suad with precision and skill. this person also knows his rifle better than a chef knows his knives.

2: gets most of his kills out of dumb luck or pure skill. he runs off of solid adrenalin for the whole game. however if he gets shot by a single shot weapon(*cough*sniper*cough*) he will most likely shrug it off as a random branch that hit him, or he might not even feel it at all. there for he is cheating without even noticing it. honestly it is not his fault when that much adrenalin is pumping and a 170ft shot that will eventually be moving at 250FPS by the time it hits him will not be
noticed.

thats why i say #1. but for effectiveness they are the same. #1 keeps everyone guessing and waiting to be hit. #2 keeps everyone down in their bunker in fear.

#2 also gets more gratitude from everyone as everyone can see what #2 did. however the only people who see what #1 did are the people who he ambushed, therefor people give him less credit for what he did, even if it is just as effective as #2.

i hope i did it right, if i didnt someone please help. i like this psycology stuff to i think its a great addition to the board

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I play as the number 1, but i think it depends for which is better. Number 2 needs luck that things will go his way, but number one doesn't need as much luck, because he can wait for things to fall into place.
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Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:15 pm

I didn't mean to say that number two is not tactical. I meant to say that he is just as good skill level as #1 would be... but much more aggressive. Here hopes this helps give you an idea of what I was thinking about
1) Psychologically predisposed to be more thoughtful
2) Psychologically inclined to be more aggressive.

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Psychology predispostions in airsoft.

That title alone makes me tired.... lol
I would have to say #1 would be more effective. As the two previous comments mentioned, #2 requires a lot of dumb luck - there's no arguing that. Even if #2 does have the same amount of skill as #1, for someone who plays in that manner it's hard no matter who you are to not get killed far too often (although you'd think a skilled player would be more of a team player anyway). And who knows, maybe #2 would even get more kills by his/her method, but that doesn't necessarily mean (s)he is more effective. If it were all about running around and shooting a ton of rounds off we might as well be playing paintball. But, because everyone's rifles are fairly accurate, especially at longer distances (120+ ft.), a person who just runs from one battle to the next with no regard for his teammates will be of hardly any use to his actual team's missions.

Because airsoft is typically milsim (what it's known for), games aren't usually based upon simple elimination, but completing objectives. So when #2 runs into a place lone-gunning it, he may get 10 kills by himself, but that doesn't mean anything when he gets killed by another player and those 10 people get right back in the game in a matter of seconds-minutes ready to actually take on a real attack. It takes cooperation between several team members to complete almost all objectives at real events. This is because typically objectives are well guarded and it'll take more than the bravery (stupidity?) of one guy to complete objectives.

And besides, although it's fun to watch (and sometimes do), the method of #2 sort of takes away from the game. Part of the thrill of airsoft is the attempt at realism compared to real combat. When we have people just running off on their own and trying to get a high kill-count, games and missions aren't nearly as fun. I hate during games/OPs when me and a squad of guys are moving in on some objective and out of the blue either a single guy or a guy and his friend who decided to go off on their own and do their own thing run in right before us and screw up my squad's strategy. It's quite annoying....
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Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:56 am

Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:14 am

No it can't. In my experience thus far these people are the ones who do better. Smalls always runs up and is rarely patient and he does a great job. I thought number one would be too, but a lot of my experiences have led me to say 2.
I would like to point out two people at Sunbury as well. The owner along with the guy who showed us around would both walk around until they found somebody not really caring too much about being sneaky. And when they found you neither one of them would let up until you were gone. I gotta say that these people have done way better in my experiences even if me, myself, and I would rather be more cautious.
I do see where you are coming from. I am just trying to remind you with empirical evidence that I know you have seen first hand. I really don't think you would argue with me about those two older players at Sunquest. They were pretty good and resembled more of #2.

Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:46 am

I don't think you could say with 100% certainty "no it can't." Besides, I'm not saying they can't get lucky - but you missed my point anyway. I agreed they can get many kills, but my point was that first of all it requires some luck, and second of all lots of kills doesn't always mean they're effective players.

At Conquest, we were playing in an inside course, with many small rooms and CQB fighting. CQB = lots of ammo being shot = #2 players will be more effective than say being in a woodland battle. There's no denying that. Besides think about what you said - these two guys that "tore it up" were the owner and best friend of the owner of the actual building itself. Of course they're going to tear it up! They know all the secrets to the buildings, just like you said! I saw that as contributing to their success much more than they're firepower/#2 tactics. It seemed like every single game they would point out a new hole they knew of that they could stick their guns in and shoot us through. Besides, typical events will mainly be held outside, not in buildings. They'll be outside, in a 360 degree environment, where you don't always know where everyone is.

Let's take a look at more empirical evidence though. I have been to large events (actually only two, but still). Sticks and (I believe) Sentinel have also been in larger events. They've been outdoors and seen these crazy #2 type people work in real OPs settings. Your experience is with the smaller groups of players, say 6 on 6 outdoors, and maybe more like 12 on 12 at an indoor course like Conquest. EVERYTHING changes when you go onto a 200 acre playing area, with specific objectives (other than just elimination) and designed goals for individual squads, and where it's 150 players vs. 150 players. It's completely different. These #2 players don't do so well in these environments, and these environments are typical for actual OPs. These people aren't as fun to play with/against anyway...
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Sometimes when i play simple elimination games, its great to have the number 2 player, but in games like CTF he is useless UNLESS the team channels his power and uses him like a shock trooper to clear out an area. Basically he would be like a kamakazeer.
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Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:41 pm

Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Thu May 01, 2008 10:48 am

So, Admin are #2 people useful or not? All of you guys say they are annoying during game play, and then you say he can be useful? Just a little confused.

Is anyone up for a #1.5? Large game play experience or not, if someone is charging at you and you are trying to be tactical, don't you have to switch to aggressive mode not to get lit up? I think a good mixture of both would be key. Learn to be aggressive AND patient.

As far as not communicating with #2 people I agree, but I have also played with #1 people who don't communicate, so aren't they just as useless to the team?

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I'm thinking Roamer meant that both players are just as tactical, but #1 lets the fight come to him, while #2 brings the hurt.

I think what we are talking about is more interesting though Wink

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Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Thu May 01, 2008 4:13 pm

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Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Thu May 01, 2008 5:17 pm

All I can say is thank you sentinel!!!

Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Thu May 01, 2008 5:21 pm

This question stems from me getting rocked all of the time. I would always try my hardest to be sneaky and as cautious as I should... then there would be this awesome player (there are a few) who would tromp right up to me with little regard for stealth and I would be screwed. These #2 are always pushing me to my limits.
I agree that a 1.5 is better. I just kind of want to focus on these extremes for the time being. Thanks for clarifying all of this for me again Sentinal. Perhaps I should have used cautious instead of tactical.

SO HERE IT IS AGAIN, hopefully I word this right this time
1)More cautious
2)More Aggressive

Subject: Re: Psychology predispostions in airsoft. Thu May 01, 2008 8:50 pm

Haha. I'm glad we cleared this up. I thought you meant:
1) cautious, tactical
2) sometimes tactical, crazy loner who fires a lot of rounds

Smile

I guess in my last message I already gave my opinion on your newly created question, and I still stand by it... that is, that both are great, and both are needed. Which one is more effective... hmm. I'd say whichever one is better at their style lol. (easy way out of answering the question, I know). For example though, I'm more of a stay back kind of guy, whereas Seabass is more of an aggressive type of player. We're both good at our styles of play, but I'd say he's better at his than I am at mine, therefore, he wins a lot of the battles (unless I can use my teammates as bait lol Wink

). But I am constantly getting pushed to my limits as well by #2s - but I'm still better at being a #1 than I would be a #2.
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