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PostSubject: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeFri Jul 25, 2008 10:40 pm

In the past, on other forums, and just recently on this one, I come across a thread on dual weilding. Now im not hateful to anyone who claims they do it for EPIC pwnage and what not, just these are my .02 for anyone thinking about it. Weilding a handgun takes skill and a steady shot especiall in a fast pace game when you are moving and strafing. For example just shooting at a target from a stationery position is WAY different then when you are moving and strafing in any kind of game, this goes for all guns and launchers. Being a effective handgun weilder in airsoft or the real steel. Recquires you to have a quick, steady shot. Especially if your only using one hand to shoot. (SURPRISINGLY holding a pistol w/ 2 hands is more accurate Shocked )

Now to get on with dual weilding. To be extremely effective with this kind of load out you must have already the practice and steadiness, that was recquired in one hand for single weilding, now in both. For example, holding two bricks perfectly still on each hand, that is balled into a fist upon which the brick sits,for at least 10 minutes recquires some kind of focus and endurance. Now this kind of situation would not be faced in airsoft unless you walk to your target's location with both guns drawn and pointing to 12. In a game, especially for anyone of you hardcore players, this would recquire you to focus and run out of patience quickly, yes. Unless you practice holding both guns still for at least 10 min every day.

The reason why I stress this fact is because dual weilding w/o any kind of training will not render you like the spartan dude who can hold every gun perfectly still, or like whats his face from "hitman" who put two bullets at once in both opponents at his side. Now if you have a light weight Uzi or Pistol, go right ahead (im talking about full metal guns)...It wouldn't be a big deal. Especially if your just spraying. But to get the same kind of effectiveness you would from a MP5 or other CQB gun would recquire some sort of training.

Another peice of advice is that the one always charging (kicking down) the door, Should have either a shotgun or a SMG.

Now dual weilding SMG's like MP5K's. Don't do it...
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeFri Jul 25, 2008 11:56 pm

I have become quite effeciant with shooting dual but I also practice alot ( 20 min a day ) , but I only use them my M9's dually on very rare occassions , such as , when my spotter has been eliminated or if I have been separated from my spotter , or my team . Dual wielding may look cool on movies and video games but unless practice is added dual wielding can be very difficult . I only use my pistols much less them dual maybe one or twice during a five hour game and during a long full day game maybe only five times and out of those five maybe two are dual . Dual wielding is not so hard when you are right on your target such as I am most of the times , but I am a sniper so I do not rely on my pistols as much as a rifleman or a support gunner may . Once more Dual wielding is great but only if you know how to use it , right Lone Wolf ?
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeSat Jul 26, 2008 11:16 am

if you are going to hold any gun with one hand for a sustained period you need to work your deltoids and your tricepts. I already meantioned how you can work your deltoids in the military thread in the off topic section. Normal pushups(if done corectoy) will work you tricepts(among other muscles).

Duel wielding can e done but rember your not going to look like the guys in the movies, and by that I mean getting the CIA or MI6 hitman training any doping jobs for those agencies for 10+ years... Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeSat Jul 26, 2008 11:28 am

Yea alabama sniper your correct.

Working your tricepts and your deltoids would be a good addition to how dual weilding can be effective.

I may make a guide for this...with possibly the help of Alabama snipeer, since he has done it before.
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 11:03 pm

I don't dual weild ,its cool and flashy but in my experience innefective i will admit ive put no effort into perfecting my dual weilding, i do better with one pistol i have more accuracy
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeFri Oct 10, 2008 3:12 pm

Roy at finmere dual wields MP5k's It's not that difficult and it allows you to engage two targets at once or put down a LOT of supressive fire on one location.

What's wrong with dual wielding?

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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeTue Oct 14, 2008 3:13 am

Dual weilding a pistol is not effictive.

It's better to practice fast swaping between primary and sidearm. Smooth draws and fast accurate shooting is very effictive. I can drop my primary (on it's sling) and draw my M9 fire two aimed shots in uder 4 sec. This is how I trained in the Navy, this is how I play airsoft. Practice just switching from primary to sidearm, from sidearm to primary, again and again. Smooth is fast and fast is smooth. Start slow, focusing on each movement required, step by step.

On the other hand, it is fun and after all it's that the point of airsoft?

Sidenote: At the range once I watched the Range Safety Officer dual weild M16s. We had rounds left over after the rifle qual course, and he wanted to "try it rambo style" He didn't hit jack, but it was funny.
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeTue Oct 14, 2008 5:23 pm

I think you mean, slow is smooth, smooth is fast?

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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeTue Oct 14, 2008 7:03 pm

really doesn't make any sense. does it...

just make it smooth and fast. not jerky and fast. better pic for the brain to digest
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeTue Oct 14, 2008 7:13 pm

I find dual wielding a way to test my muscles, and challenge my eyesight/being a good shot. The bad thing is I am probaly not going to hit anything... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeTue Oct 14, 2008 7:25 pm

Lone Wolf. I quoted the actual phrase that he meant to say. It is relatively well-known...

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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeThu Oct 16, 2008 3:16 pm

I meant to say what I said, it's just a reversal that helps to amplify the meaning

Smooth = Fast, Fast = Smooth, this was drilled into our heads during markmanship training. Along with "Front sight, front sight, slack, pause, squeeze!" lol
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeThu Oct 16, 2008 3:59 pm

Ah I see... well what I said is the one I was taught lol

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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeThu Oct 16, 2008 11:06 pm

well have any of you seen people who have two guns strped togeather via ris or tape or something because i have seen a few and wondering what what is called because you have 2 guns but using both hand on each so its not one arm for each

seen it done too
P90
M4
M16
and somehow but i don't know how para saw
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeFri Oct 17, 2008 8:55 am

ok for you math ppl
a=b b=a...now i get it...
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeFri Oct 17, 2008 5:31 pm

Unless you've mastered dual-weilding I think its a waste of ammo.
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeSat Oct 18, 2008 11:10 am

Dual wielding is fun , doesn't matter if you hit jack as long as your having fun , Airsoft is milsim , keyword here sim , meaning simulation , as in not the real thing . Your live doesn't depend on you hitting your mark , and if it did I guarentee that there would be a whole lot less people on the airsoft courses if it did . I like dual wielding because it is fun , I have gotten quite good at it , but I still have fun . Now thats what its all about .
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeSun Oct 19, 2008 10:30 pm

well today i dualed a jg m4 and a jg bar-10 and shot a guy Very Happy at about 100 ft in his chest
used the m4 to keep him down and shot though the grass with the bar
also used my bar scope to see the m4's bbs so used one scope to aim 2 guns

and in this case a=(dose not)=b
a= one gun for each hand
b= two guns in one hand so what do you call b
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeSun Oct 19, 2008 10:47 pm

Quote :
so what do you call b

b=guy shot in chest at 100 ft. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeSun Oct 19, 2008 11:01 pm

lol not b to the 2ed b to the first
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeThu Feb 26, 2009 8:49 am

However, duel wielding creates another large problem, reloading. scince both hands are occupied putting a new clip in requires a full stop and dropping one of your guns for
a
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PostSubject: Re: The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding   The Effectiveness of Dual Weilding Icon_minitimeThu Feb 26, 2009 9:12 am

right... or if you can jury rig something like on tomb raider that would work but needs a lot of work
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