When freedom of speech goes too far.

First off, I am all in favor of free speech, and I think having the ability to protest is a wonderful thing. But read this and you'll see why it made me sick to my stomach.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100331/ts_csm/291560

I am speechless. Excuse me while I go retch.

I read that a few hours ago, made me feel sick too.

They certainly have the right to say those things (sadly), but it's despicable that people like that are blind to the fact that the men and women in our armed services defend and fight for their right to hate and bash them. So come on, show a little respect.

They have the right of free speech true, and they have the right to peacefully assemble.

But going to a Funeral and Insulting a dead soldier IN FRONT OF HIS FATHER. Sounds more like an attack to me. That means it was NOT a peaceful assembly, and therefore it is NOT protected by the first amendment.

I hope the supreme court hits them with the max punishment it is capable of.

It's not considered free speech...I was in a formal debate regarding this, if your actions can result in agitating another to violence it is NOT free speech, thats why you can't go around saying "Watch your language" you to everyone you see.

So im quite confident the suprene court will uphold the ruling before appeal...and to be honost if I saw "Watch your language" like that I..don't know for sure what I would do..but i don't think I would just accept it as "free speech"

Ah and the supreme court can't give punishment, if the father is succesfull it will simply set a standard for protests at funerals...meaning they would be illigal. Most likly they will rule a funeral is a captive audiance were you can't just leave, like the guys lawyer said.

I totally agree. They would of roused me to violence if i was there that's for sure.

Quote :

“Thank Godd for IEDs,”

What i wanna know is what Higher Being do they preach to?

And....does the Baptist type churches normally preach peace and respect as a base doctrine for there beliefs like EVERY OTHER Legitimate church.

Talk about wanting to slash their tires while they protested

When my Brothers girlfriends relative died in the service(not sure where he died) we had a proccession of bikers honoring him in a Honor Guard deal out to the cemetary.

Man, if I had been at this funeral, somebody would have been leaving on a stretcher. Why don't we put those stupid f**kers on plane to China? No, better, how about Iraq and Afghanistan? Then they can tell us how much they hate our troops.

My faith in humanity has dropped lower.

In these pickets its sadly the Older fundalmentalists that attend and it would be bad to Ef up a older lady.

My being a gentleman stops when people insult and wish harm to our troops. I don't care if they're young or old i will tear a strip or 10 out of them verbally at least if i'm in a good mood.

I find it disgusting. I also find it impressive how their hate, replete ignorance, and utter lack of logic as it pertains to causal relationships can incite such anger from normally reasonable people.

Ok real quick before this gets out of hand. I am a Christian a TRUE Christian because there are a lot of people pretending out there, and this group is one of them. Please don't think that Don't use the Lord's name in vain. is like that(no i'm not trying to start a debate I'm just clearing a mix up) This is disgusting and it is sad. My heart goes out for the father. There are things i could clear up on what a true conservative believes, but this is an airsoft forum.

Holy crap. Who wants to fund my trip to Washington? I'd be more than happy to open up a can of woopass.

ill come with you. round house kick to the face! haha but really that is utterly disgusting. they don't understand that, that marine died protecting their freedom of speech, ignorant c*nts (although as many of you have clarified it isn't free speech)

I found something strikingly relevant in my first reading assignment for my ethics class:

"In the everyday world, the ethical thing to do is sometimes viewed as obvious and self-evident when it should be a matter of debate, or, conversely, viewed as a matter of debate when it should be obvious and self-evident. The same act is often ethically praised by particular social, religious or political groups and ethically condemned by others."

Excerpt from Ethical Reason, by Paul and Elder

I feel sick after reading this. The quotes from those inconsiderate f*****s made me angry. How can they say that!

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us." ~George Orwell

"Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ~Ned Dolan

Goes so far as to prome my point `` Is it better to be thought the fool, or to speak and remove all Doubt ? ´´

The best was to handle groups and oranizations like this is to expose the individuals, let their communities know what they are doing, inform thier employers. Then you can see how fast they change thier song.

Millions have Family, Friends, Loved ones serving in the Uniformed Services, those that don´t know somebody that has a Girfriend/Boyfriend, Fiancee, Brother, Sister, Father, Mother, Uncle/Aunt in Uniform, I would bet you my entire AS Collection, that if they, as individuals, members of the Community, Workers, Students and so on are exposed to their surrounding citizens, this kind of BS would stop in a heartbeat.

Lone Wolf wrote:

Talk about wanting to slash their tires while they protested

That's not the only thing i would slash.

This is the kind of crap that in my neck of the woods you get you beat like a rag doll. People like this must honor Hitler and any every other genocidal nutcase.

If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. - James 1:26 (NLT)

The Above Is FTW.

Yea...this reminds me of code pink. An super anti-military/conservative organization here in the US. IDK if they are still around but if you have seen the Penn&Teller BS: World Peace. Then you know who I am talking about.

IMHO they are verbal traitors to their own brothers and neighbors.

Guys, this story makes my hear sink. I am very familiar with this group.
their website is www.godhatesfags.com....
hope I don't get in trouble for posting that, but go there and see how twisted their POV really is.
They came to m highschool last semester, and while it may be just a small victory for me and The People, what happened at my school made me feel really good. I learned that they were protesting at military funerals, and decided. It's On.

I walked to school, plan in mind. I got there, and sure enough there were two huge groups of people on either side of my school's street on the schools side, all students who were part of a non-violent ANTI-protest, which was actually pretty nice...but wasn't too effective.
The night beofre I had read deep into that website, and if they didn't take it off, you can see that it says "SIXTY-EIGHT out of the SEVENTY-FOUR members....are all related to the pastor....disgusting, I know.
So, I reached the spot, was standing, watching, minding my own, when I look over and see a man put Ol' Glory on the ground and start stepping on her. I calmly say "Excuse me sir, that flag shouldn't be touching the ground." He replied with "[Blank]-off "Watch your language"!"
So I put down my bookbag, unzipped it, pulled out and unfolded two HUGE signs I'd made the night before, both saying "INCEST" and had arrows pointing to the protest group.
Everyone, even the two officers present, burst out laughing. All the cars coming by honked their horns and laughed and gave me the thumbs up, And the protest group grew so angry they all started yelling and cursing, then huddled up, and ended up leaving a half hour earlier than their schedule had planned (Which is conveniently on their website)

While it may be small, I felt very good, a small, yet non-violent and legal victory had been achieved.

M14 double-taps wrote:

Guys, this story makes my hear sink. I am very familiar with this group.
their website is www.godhatesfags.com....
hope I don't get in trouble for posting that, but go there and see how twisted their POV really is.
They came to m highschool last semester, and while it may be just a small victory for me and The People, what happened at my school made me feel really good. I learned that they were protesting at military funerals, and decided. It's On.

Man...thats horrible. That just hurts to live under the same flag as that kind of group of people.
Not just the fact that its so horribly anti-gay...if that was "godhatesblacks" or "god hateswhites" or anything...man thats just horrible.
can't believe an actual church would endorse that.

M14 double-taps wrote:

I walked to school, plan in mind. I got there, and sure enough there were two huge groups of people on either side of my school's street on the schools side, all students who were part of a non-violent ANTI-protest, which was actually pretty nice...but wasn't too effective.
The night beofre I had read deep into that website, and if they didn't take it off, you can see that it says "SIXTY-EIGHT out of the SEVENTY-FOUR members....are all related to the pastor....disgusting, I know.
So, I reached the spot, was standing, watching, minding my own, when I look over and see a man put Ol' Glory on the ground and start stepping on her. I calmly say "Excuse me sir, that flag shouldn't be touching the ground." He replied with "[Blank]-off "Watch your language"!"
So I put down my bookbag, unzipped it, pulled out and unfolded two HUGE signs I'd made the night before, both saying "INCEST" and had arrows pointing to the protest group.
Everyone, even the two officers present, burst out laughing. All the cars coming by honked their horns and laughed and gave me the thumbs up, And the protest group grew so angry they all started yelling and cursing, then huddled up, and ended up leaving a half hour earlier than their schedule had planned (Which is conveniently on their website)

While it may be small, I felt very good, a small, yet non-violent and legal victory had been achieved.

Beautiful.
Subsisto vigilant.

Thank you sir
It really is a shame that those families have to deal with that, AT THE MOURNING OF THEIR LOVED ONE.
I'm all for freedom of speech.
But that's just.....