Deadliest Warrior

has anyone seen the show deadliest warrior? if so tell me if you liked it or not and what you liked about it.


P.S. my favorite episode is the Green Berets V.S. Spetsnaz, that was great!

Yes, I love this show its always on friday night around 7 I think or at least on my network.

My favorite episodes would have to be

IRA vs. Taliban
Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz
Kinda mad that the Spetsnaz won........

yeah, im a little mad but they are really hard core, that guy was cool, but yeah

They only won because that stupid balistic knife....which i thought that the green beret knocked out of his hand when they first fought close quarters

actually lets look at the results:

ak-47 vs m4 carbine ak-47
ask jarhead999 76 65, it's true that the ak-47 is better than any of the m16 family, especially a modified version of the ak-47


e-tool vs ballistics knife
not sure, i LOVE the e-tool but the ballistics knife is just plaing awesome and useful, especially if you don't know it gonna shoot out


beretta m9fs vs makarov pm
makarov all the way, berettas are good but ive shot both, makarovs are so much better, plus the holster he had was very useful


*also the spesnatz train so hard, look it up if you can, they are so hardcore*



so look at that and the spesnatz probally were destined to win, but that doesnt mean the green berets suck, it just means that the spesnatz's are a little better.

love the show but the way its made is kinda corny, i 'd like it more if it was like a mlitary channel show, but i love the spesnatz and green beret, and the mafia and the yakuza.

ncis wrote:

actually lets look at the results:

ak-47 vs m4 carbine ak-47
ask jarhead999 76 65, it's true that the ak-47 is better than any of the m16 family, especially a modified version of the ak-47


e-tool vs ballistics knife
not sure, i LOVE the e-tool but the ballistics knife is just plaing awesome and useful, especially if you don't know it gonna shoot out


beretta m9fs vs makarov pm
makarov all the way, berettas are good but ive shot both, makarovs are so much better, plus the holster he had was very useful


*also the spesnatz train so hard, look it up if you can, they are so hardcore.

to be honest with you, the AK-47 and AK-74 are A LOT better than the M16 family. it fires a bigger round, has more range, is reliable, and you can teach a peasant with an IQ below sea level to clean and operate the AK-47/74 in just five hours. the M16 takes three weeks to get familiar with the weapon, chambers a smaller 5.56 NATO round, and breaks down into 5 parts, vs. the AK-47/74's three. if the world fell into anarchy tomorrow, the rifle i'd want to be surviving with is the AK-47. the cost of a 7.62mm round is $0.13, slightly higher than the cost of a 5.56mm round, but the stopping power is worth it. as far as Kalashnikovs go, i would i only want an AK-47 or AK-74. i also like the AK-103, but there are so many extra things on it that can just cause problems later on or in the field. i see all these rifles with special recoil dampeners and tac lights and lasers and all that extra BS, and it's just like "how the heck are you going to field that weapon?!" just the other day, i swear i saw a rifle that had a frickin' cup holder on it. how/why the heck are/would you use a cup holder in the field?

in close combat with either an e-tool or a ballistics knife, i'd choose the e-tool for the extended reach and weight. the weight allows you to bring more force onto your target. say you are aiming for the head. you can hit Charlie right under the chin and just about tear his head off, or you can beat him over the head and crush the top of the skull just as easily. you can also come up behind Charlie and stab him in the back of the neck, right below the Occipital Lobe, and drop him real fast.

if i had to choose between the Beretta M92 and the Makarov PM, i would choose the M9 due to its chambering. the Makarov PM uses a 9x18mm Makarov round, a custom round, thus presumably harder to find than the M9's 9x19 Parabellum NATO round. besides, the 9mm has a slightly bigger punch to it, if i have my facts straight. i want stopping power when i need a weapon. however, if i could, i would pack a Colt M1911 .45, due to the higher caliber round. while the 9mm Beretta holds 15 rounds and the M1911 only seven, the .45 will neutralize the target much faster than 9milli. like i said, i want a gun that will put Charlie down and keep him down.

sorry, just had to put in my opinion.

Wait Spentnaz won? WTF?!?!?!?! I'm pretty angry about that....

I mean the Spetnaz would be left hurting if it faced something like the USAF Security Forces. All they can do is take pain in a major way..... They focus their training around kicking recruits ass'.... Thats valuable time you could be learning about fire and maneuver skills.... RRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEE!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways, back on topic... The show is alright, but in my opinion they focus on the weapons and less on the skills.... Granted I have only watched a few of their shows, but it seemed like a really dumbed down comparison....

Who won the IRA vs Taliban one?

sticks

IRA, and thanks jarhead, nice, and yes i would use a 1911, i thought that was what the special forces used, oh well, but youre not expecting the ballistics knife to be a gun though

i would prefer a glock. simplest gun around. well my step dads breaks down into 3 pieces. and i have seen one run over with a 4X4 (in mud) pick it up and fire it accurately. GB should have one.


Spetnatz are mindless pain absorbing killing machines

Coolest history show EVER!!!

mgunner564 wrote:

i would prefer a glock. simplest gun around. well my step dads breaks down into 3 pieces. and i have seen one run over with a 4X4 (in mud) pick it up and fire it accurately. GB should have one.


Spetnatz are mindless pain absorbing killing machines

i wou;d have to agree with you on that one as well, mgunner. i didn't think about the Glock. even though it cannot be chambered for .45 ACP, it can be chambered for .357 Magnum. good idea.
when you ran over the Glock with a 4x4, i assume you used proper gun safety, right? please say yes.

@ncis
i know that the MEU and Delta uses the M1911, but i think it is mainly a choice for other special operators. see, there's a big debate over 9mm and .45. the arguments for the 9mm is they are smaller, so higher mag capacity, but lower stopping power. .45 = lower mag capacity, higher stopping power. of course, this wouldn't be bad either.

yeah, but why would you wanna walk into combat with a camera crew following you!
the glock is a VERY good gun i love shooting it although the first time was a funny story ,pm me if you wanna know it, and also, why did you run it over in the mud?

haha. eh, revolvers aren't that great in combat. six rounds? i mean, revolvers don't even have high capacity mags

well, he could have run over the Glock to test the durability. you know, you get a brand new shiny handgun, you hear it's indestructable, so you run it over with a 4x4 in the mud. it's what i'd do. haha.

Guys if any of you go hunting or have been shooting allot you should know that caliber is not the deciding factor when you are trying to kill someone.... Shot placement is the defining factor.... There is a youtube video of a guy stopping a bear with a 38 special... Which is slower and smaller than the 9mm.

Also, all Army SOF units are issued the 1911, depending on the mission requirements... 90% of the time they can use what they want too, so you also may find Glocks or similar personal sidearms on the operator. The M9 is the current issue sidearm for the rest of the Army only; including some rangers whos MOS' requires a sidearm, ie a SAW gunner or DM.

jarhead, keep in mind that the 3 week training on the M16 includes a complete strip down of the weapon... this means they even strip it down to the trigger springs... The AK 3 hour process only strips to its 3 main components... I can teach you how to five a M16a3 in 3 hours if I teach you how to clean the "important" only too, and I have only fired a civi Ar15 with a 16in barrel... Granted the military also takes the time to explain the more complicated site system, which also happens to be leaps and bounds more accurate than the AK's. Also consider the fact that the AK's effective range is only out to 300M, where as the M16's is 600M with M118 ammunition(more if you are lucky and get the accurized M16's for DM work). IMO I would rather place a 5.56 round on an enemy at 500M than ambush them at 100M with a 7.62....

About the CQC with the handtools. The US military trains its soldiers to not enter a situation where they would need a tool like a spade against an enemy, however they also train them how to use a bayonet for the SHTF situations that they might run into. Sure a Spentznaz trooper can flip off of a spring board and throw a hatchet at a wooden plank, but why train for that when the average engagement distance is 100M-300M? A spade is not going to do jack squat at those ranges.... Even if in a magical event the Spetz faced off against a US SOF personnel, I have total faith in the SOF soldier, as many of them also practice some for of martial art in their spare time... I'm not talking about the dumbed down version that the Russians use, I am talking about several years of Aikido.... IMO this has made me loose my faith in the Deadliest Warrior program, not just because the US didn't win... But its because they didn't take in all the factors correctly... IMO having access to the whole frigan USAF arsenal at the tip of your fingers over a radio is much more comforting than have a years worth of abuse by an instructor mixed in with some marksmanship and basic Martial Arts mixed in... IMO SOF personnel of the US armed forces are the best trained in the world... Granted I am probably bashing the Spetznaz way to much, as anyone who can handle what their training dishes out deserves some of the highest respect.... But them taking on SOF is a joke...

sticks

sticks
i do see what you are saying about the engagement distance, and i understand what you're saying about shot placement. let's use the "end of the world" scenario i had before. let's assume you are an untrained civvie who owns guns, but does not practice very often.

if you are in an urban area, like many people, you will not have the time to sit and aim for the frontal lobe or vital organs. chances are, you will merely have time to spray a few rounds into Charlie. if you aim for center mass, chances are, you will blow a few large holes through the OPFOR and you'll be able to continue on your merry way without having to worry about them getting up. and i do realize the 7.62 makes "cleaner" wounds than the 5.56, owing to velocity and point of impact. i also realize that the irons on the AK family are just sucktastic owing to the crappy placement of the rear sight. i would much rather have the M16's irons than the AK's, but it's not very often you see AK-47s with M16 irons. the 7.62mm is accurate up to 800m-1000m in the hands of a highly trained shooter, and the 5.56mm is accurate to 500m-600m (i think i got those correct, if i didn't, please tell me). chances are, you will not find a highly trained shooter running through the streets trying to survive the apocalypse.

as far as hand to hand, the military may train our soldiers not to enter those sorts of situations, but sometimes it is unavoidable. for example: brutal trench warfare. not that anyone ever messes with trench warfare anymore, but it is possible. if the enemy storms your trench and you do not have time to fix a bayonet or you run out of ammunition, you can simply pull out your e-tool. it offers more weight, and more reach, so you can, quite literally, "reach out and touch someone."

and what i'm saying about the 9mm and .45 is that, if someone is running towards you with intent to harm you, you can pull out your pistol and take a shot to the center mass. this will most likely bring Charlie down, and while he is down, you can take a shot to the head, and he will be gone, and you will be safe. and, while i see that both munitions can have the same affect as i mentioned, the .45 would have a greater chance of keeping Charlie down. and if Charlie survives being shot in center mass with a .45 ACP round, he will be kept down longer than he would be if shot with a 9mm, and therefore, more time for you take the headshot.

maybe i'm just ranting off here, but...

jarhead i did practice correct safety.

if they evaluated the training and etc the US would have won hands down. i would rather have an M16 than an AK. By all means. and my step dad's glock is a 40.....and it kicks like a mule on crack..or my CO's happy pills!

Just a point on the 9mil .45 debate...If either of those hit you center mass your going down this isn't Hollywood were you get hit and and you get up and keep going. What im saying here isn't based on my beliefs its based on what I have seen first hand. I grew up on a farm in SA read some news and you will understand why I know this. If your far enough away for body armor to make a difference yes the .45 has a better punch but thats why the mill has AP/Depleted uranuim heads

Green Beret sucks! I knew from the start the Spectnaz would win they train harder then the Green Berets. The Green berets just assume that they're the best and thats why they lost. Plus the Spectnaz has better gear when it comes down to reliability and performance.

I thought the taliban would have the Ak-47, RPG, suicide bombers, and a 747 lolz

I was disappointed by the Mafia one though.

Jack, I hope to Don't use the Lord's name in vain. you are trolling me.....

Spetznaz train hard yes... But this is the 21st century buddy.... You don't need to train like the NFL in fitness to do anything.... And besides, why would you do all the stuff the spetznaz does when you could be working on important things... Like shooting! Or room clearing, which we all the the spetz is so great at :rolleyes: (referencing the Beslan school crisis of 2004).... Also, find me a Spetz trooper that can do a HALP/HAHO or heck even dive correctly..... Its not going to happen. Besides US SOF has something that you can never get with training.... Combat experience... So far the only conflict that the Spetz has been openly involved in is the Beslan hostage situation(epic fail, and RIP to the fallen), and the Georgian conflict(which used Russia's equivilant to the National Guard...).

As far as the gear goes, I highly doubt it is more "reliable" than US SOF gear... The only thing that MAY be more reliable is the AK's that they use, but that is a Maybe... Spetz use the AK103 and the AK102(su). They fire the 5.45 russian cartridge, which is faster but less powerful(in terms of stopping power) than the 5.56... If you are talking about gear as in the vests, then I say nay again. Most SF units wear EI gear, its great stuff. Almost every SF unit runs with a RRS-V in their squad, or a CIRAS. RRS-V costs $180 and carrys plates, the CIRAS costs $500 and has soft armor and hard plates for maximum protection.

Spetz use a series of vests called SPLAV's. These are non armor carrying vests that are the Russian equivalent to American Croos Draw systems. Basically its a non MOLLE vest that doesn't carry plates or any sort of hard armor, guess what the price tag is? $100.... I don't care if you can hold a stool up for 10mins with a bucket of water on top, a bullet is going to stop you..... Their BDU's cost $100+ and have a tendency to rip, and tear at the crotch(i actually watched this happen, twas funny).

I could go on about their Boots, or the fact that the whole darned Russian military is corrupt and underfunded.... etc etc etc. And someone says that you could put all these faults against our awesomely trained and equipped SOF soldiers?

Alright, my daily rant is over.... Also Jack, I wouldn't take this personally at all. You guys should hear me rant about movies to my friends.....

sticks

agreed, some of the shows that compare(like top (heli, weapon, ect)) don't think of the soldier, like the best weapon was the human, true in some ways, but a ak-74 could kill before you were a distance away

Regarding 9mm vs .45 ACP: If a man is running at you with full intent to kill you, even several 9mm rounds to the chest wouldn't stop him. He would have several minutes to kill you before he bleeds out. Now, if you were using a .45, one shot would knock him down.

Regarding AK vs M16: Jarhead; the 7.62mm round is accurate, but the gun is not. When watching an AK47 fire in slow motion, you can actually SEE the barrel flexing with each shot. It Kicks like a mule, has a low rate of fire, and the open sights are horrendous: Its only attribute is reliability. The M16, on the other hand, has greater accuracy, a higher rate of fire, and more accurate iron sights. This gives it higher EFFECTIVE range. and due to the nature of the 5.56mm bullet, which shatters upon impact, it has almost the same stopping power as the AK.
Its only drawback is reliability, which is average. All in all, I would rather have the M16.

Now if I HAD to choose a gun for the Zombie apocalypse, I would choose an HK416. Same accuracy and round of an M4, but with reliability that is apparently even better than the AK.

time for my monthly Rant ,

C´mon guys, pull yer heads out your fourth point of contact,

That show is so one sided, anti-American, it makes me sick to watch !!!!

If the SpaceNuts are so Bad, why was it that they had Companies of SpaceNuts ( 205 men ), designated to locate and eliminate each SF Team located in Europe during the cold war, if war should break out.

Pitting an SF Team against an SpaceNut Platoon ( they don´t operate in anything smaller ) is ridicules, thats like comparing a B2 with a Bearfoot.

That episode took the SF Team out of it´s element and put them into a direct action role, and SF just dosn´t operate that way, they are Teachers, move into an area, gather local support and intelligence, and conduct actions with every conceivable asset and advantage available.

The show is all based on hypothetical, personal opinions, and propaganda bullcrap, hope they do a show pitting the Boy Scouts against the FFL, could be close but I think the Boy Scouts could win it .

boy scouts VS girl scouts
SpetsnazVS angry old women(The angry women would win)
nuke vs MEC

no I won't take it personally sticks but I believe you're letting patriotic pride blind you.


oh and STICKS about there BOOTS that is a load of crude their winter boots are so well made I even debated buying some even though they wouldn't fit. The boots are lined with seal fur!

Aveenvp you forget that if you try and use an M-16 as a bludgeuon It will shatter the stock and snap the internal springs

you can all keep talking about the expensive equipment of the USA but the real winner is training and disipline skills and determination