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PostSubject: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:34 pm

ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.

China may soon put an end to that.

U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

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EDITOR'S NOTE The USS George Washington supercarrier recently deployed off North Korea in a high-profile show of U.S. sea power. AP Tokyo News Editor Eric Talmadge was aboard the carrier, and filed this report.

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Analysts say final testing of the missile could come as soon as the end of this year, though questions remain about how fast China will be able to perfect its accuracy to the level needed to threaten a moving carrier at sea.

The weapon, a version of which was displayed last year in a Chinese military parade, could revolutionize China's role in the Pacific balance of power, seriously weakening Washington's ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea. It could also deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China's 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.

While a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D's uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.

The Chinese Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to the AP's request for a comment.

Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia's largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes.

"The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities," said Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the nonpartisan, Washington-based Center for a New American Security. "The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose."

Setting the stage for a possible conflict, Beijing has grown increasingly vocal in its demands for the U.S. to stay away from the wide swaths of ocean covering much of the Yellow, East and South China seas where it claims exclusivity.

It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes.

The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan.

U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate.

"We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world," Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.

But the new missile, if able to evade the defenses of a carrier and of the vessels sailing with it, could undermine that policy.

"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War.

Carrier-killing missiles "could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers," he e-mailed to The AP. "It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore."

Yoshihara said the weapon is causing considerable consternation in Washington, though with attention focused on land wars in Afghanistan and Iraq its implications haven't been widely discussed in public.

Analysts note that while much has been made of China's efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews' level of expertise, training and experience.

But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier. The Dong Feng 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention.

"When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically fighter to fighter or ship to ship and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options," he said.

Gates said China's investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, "could threaten America's primary way to project power" through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.

The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an "anti-access," weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas.

The Air Force's top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China's effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.

He did not single out the DF 21D, but said: "While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we'll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."

Questions remain over when and if China will perfect the technology; hitting a moving carrier is no mean feat, requiring state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat. Others, however, say final tests of the missile could come in the next year or two.

Former Navy commander James Kraska, a professor of international law and sea power at the U.S. Naval War College, recently wrote a controversial article in the magazine Orbis outlining a hypothetical scenario set just five years from now in which a Deng Feng 21D missile with a penetrator warhead sinks the USS George Washington.

That would usher in a "new epoch of international order in which Beijing emerges to displace the United States."

While China's Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads has been much discussed by military buffs online.

A pseudonymous article posted on Xinhuanet, website of China's official news agency, imagines the U.S. dispatching the George Washington to aid Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

The Chinese would respond with three salvos of DF 21D, the first of which would pierce the hull, start fires and shut down flight operations, the article says. The second would knock out its engines and be accompanied by air attacks. The third wave, the article says, would "send the George Washington to the bottom of the ocean."
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:38 pm

And WHY can\'t the present defenses prevent the missile from striking our carriers?
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:39 pm

Insane Mercc wrote:
And WHY can't the present defenses prevent the missile from striking our carriers?
I don't know much about this type of military tech, but I do believe the U.S. has rocket systems capable of destroying incoming missiles mid-flight. However, I'm not sure if these systems have the ability to strike missiles of non-nuclear nature.
Knowing the Chinese, they'll probably crack the whip on thier military scientists to program the DF-21D to evade such a threat.
As stated in the article, the Chinese still don't have a fleet of considerable size to match ours, so if a shootin' war did ever take place, It certainly wouldn't happen now, rather a decade or two.
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:46 pm

Another good question for this topic: the DF-21D may be able to hit targets above the ocean's surface, but what about below? Could this new anti-ship missile challenge our large submarine fleet?
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:18 pm

Ok to answer a couple of questions..from what ive read it seems able to evade all defense systems, most importantly the Phalanx CIWS system. As for subs...no idea since this is a surface to sea missile it's not meant as a sub killer it is meant as a carrier killer.

on the note of subs i read a while ago the Russians were testing a new sub design thats simular to a flying wing thats virtualy undetectable so I guess theres some threat in that.

On the note of the Chinese navy not having as many ships..im not sure on the exact numbers since the Chinese don\'t publish alot of thier info..However since the Chinese defense budget has doubled every year for the least 12, and the USA's has been getitng smaller id worry a little :p
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:49 am

Phalanx CIWS
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:03 am

I'm unsure if this is startling news to be taken as a threat or another military acpolishment.


Thinking about it we hear all this news on other countries militaries what do those countries think about us? We make scary things but as Americans all we do is raise our hats say \"Watch your language\" yeah USA FTW and have a cold beer. I mean it can go either way as long as their missels aren't facing us we should be fine.
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:46 am

Yeah..I think what got my attention about this article is that for the last several weeks theres been alot of news coming out about the South China sea and different nations claiming it..the USA is opposing China in those claims and if they have somthing like this it would be harder to say..support Taiwan if China attacked..(think the article talks about it)
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:08 am

Cool, destroy one of our carries. it will be WWII again minus the Nukes. Unless they want to go that far.
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:12 am

I didn't know any of our carriers still used the Phalanx system. I thought they'd all upgraded to Sidewinder missile systems for short-range defense.

I think the key to this dong rocket is speed. Mach 10 is goddamned fast. The only thing I'd trust to protect me from something that fast is a high-powered laser similar to the one on that 747 we've been testing.

I don't think they'd actually use it against us except as a passive threat. But if they do manage to sink one of our carriers they will get f***ed. And not in a way they'll enjoy either.
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:15 am

heh, dong rocket. AFAIK all the carriers use the Sidewinder system....but your right Mach10 is over 7,000 MPH if my math is correct.
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:52 am

Nah some of the carriers still use it..they either use the Phalanx CIWSs, those that don't use the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (Sea RAM).

USS Nimitz-Sea RAM
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower- Same
USS Carl Vinson-Uses CIWS's and missiles
USS Theodore Roosevelt-CIWS's
USS Abraham Lincoln-Both
USS George Washington-Both
USS John C. Stennis-Both
USS Harry S. Truman-Both
USS Ronald Reagan-Missiles
USS George H.W. Bush-Both

These are just the Nimitz class carriers...but Im thinking the others are the same, also they travel in thier carrier groups so theres alot more defense. I think im going to agree with the speed...must be pretty "Watch your language" hard to track somthing going at that speed, and im pretty sure none of the defensive missiles go that fast.

Also I didnt add earlier but nothing travels at mach 10
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PostSubject: Re: New Chinese missile poses first threat to US carriers since cold war   Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:41 pm

Yeah, I did some reading up on defensive missile tech, and as far as I can tell, nothing in our arsenal can hit targets THAT freakin' fast. The Navy could probably install a modified COIL system into some of our carriers, but like Zane stated earlier, our defense budget is dwindling, and even then the COIL can only target missiles in thier boost-phase. Crying or Very sad
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