whale wars

i agree.

thank you, Assult.

@WW,

Green Peace, PETA, Sea Shepherds, APA, and all the other countless agencies and organizations serve their purpose, but in my opinion they are going about it the wrong way, they are trying to prohibit a source, not the Cause.

Going after the Whaling Fleets is pretty much a waste of time, Yes they can interdict and delay some Whaling operations, but sooner or later they have to break off and the Fleet knows this.

A Whaling Fleet can stay at sea for months at a time, Animal protection Groups can´t, their Ships just don´t have the legs to keep up.

I agree we as a Species do not have the right to hunt another down to extinction, but in order to make or effect any kind of serious change, the ways of thinking by the Consumer have to be changed, when there is no Market for a Product, then there is no need to Produce it or Hunt it.

Nobody is going to fork over a couple hundred bucks for a Pound of Shark Fin, just to have it taking up space in the Freezer.

There lays the biggest problem, how do you change an entire cultures way of thinking, when it is pretty much tradition to eat anything that walks, crawls, swims, digs, or flys, and if it can´t be eaten, then there must be some part that provides `` Magical ´´ Healing powers.

The success have been few, and they are the ones that went after the Consumer, example, Ivory Trade, buy making it Illegal to purchase, Import, Export Ivory products, the African Elephant is close to being removed from the Endangered Species list, By making it Illegal to Purchase, Sell, Export any Product of the Californian Condor, they are on the road to recovery.

Information and Education is the answer.


YEAH !!!! Animal Testing and Experimentation !!!!!

white wolf wrote:

OMG THAT JUST GOT A SEA SHEPHERD ANGERED

yes I take offence at that..... think about it 1 species takes in millions of krill that otherwise would destroy the vegitation of the ocean leading to eco. colapse


that and I'll be sending some pics of the slaughter

okay, WW, don't mean to offend you, but do you have any proof that the disappearance of one species of whale is going to have huge ecological repercussions? there have been other species that have completely disappeared off the face of the earth, and so far we are doing fine.

i know it seems like everybody is against you here, but as i have said, we are all entitled to our own opinions. i respect you opinion as i hope you respect mine. and you're doing a pretty good job of giving us proof and facts to support you opinion, even when we are all trying to bring you down. keep up the tanacity!

slob212 wrote:

@WW,

Green Peace, PETA, Sea Shepherds, APA, and all the other countless agencies and organizations serve their purpose, but in my opinion they are going about it the wrong way, they are trying to prohibit a source, not the Cause.

Going after the Whaling Fleets is pretty much a waste of time, Yes they can interdict and delay some Whaling operations, but sooner or later they have to break off and the Fleet knows this.

A Whaling Fleet can stay at sea for months at a time, Animal protection Groups can´t, their Ships just don´t have the legs to keep up.

I agree we as a Species do not have the right to hunt another down to extinction, but in order to make or effect any kind of serious change, the ways of thinking by the Consumer have to be changed, when there is no Market for a Product, then there is no need to Produce it or Hunt it.

Nobody is going to fork over a couple hundred bucks for a Pound of Shark Fin, just to have it taking up space in the Freezer.

There lays the biggest problem, how do you change an entire cultures way of thinking, when it is pretty much tradition to eat anything that walks, crawls, swims, digs, or flys, and if it can´t be eaten, then there must be some part that provides `` Magical ´´ Healing powers.

The success have been few, and they are the ones that went after the Consumer, example, Ivory Trade, buy making it Illegal to purchase, Import, Export Ivory products, the African Elephant is close to being removed from the Endangered Species list, By making it Illegal to Purchase, Sell, Export any Product of the Californian Condor, they are on the road to recovery.

Information and Education is the answer.


YEAH !!!! Animal Testing and Experimentation !!!!!

there are..... some icre breakers.... no oh large ships(lets go with that) that can be there as long as the"season" is actie. They are intiled to 1 whale per year, but they use hundreds. I know it sounds pointless, but have you seen the ships?
these are the ships;
2 ice class meduim ships
1 US coast gaurd patrol boat


now 1 of the ice class the "steve Irwin" is used every season there with 4 delta (inflatable) boats and 1 heli. They save over 500 estimate whales a year, they know they can''t save them all but they are trying. And, I agree with jarhead999 76 67 that everyone I can't change but some I can.... but, I doubt on this fourm, and I shall try to calm my attitude to this.... but like I said they are breaking internatinal law...


but yeah.

I am against this organization (sea-shepherds) because they commit terrorism at sea. Attacking fishing vessels is a form of terrorism fyi. They deserve to be tried and penalized by Japan & US There are other ways to resolve ecological issues.

Now this isn't terrorism but another dirty thing tree-huggers do is they put these 10" nails in trees scheduled to go to the mill. Well when the trees get to the mill saws get stuck on the nails and end up becoming lethal projectiles that have severely injured (loss of digits or limbs) or even killed mill workers.

I am against any eco-activist group whose acts potentially harm human beings. Not that I am for the whole hunting of endangered animals but there are other mature ways to deal with this stuff.

Does that mean I am against all eco-activist, no. I am a outdoors man I spend most of my time doing stuff like rock climbing, kayaking, hiking, mountain biking...ect outside. I even support the local groups. I am on a trail maintenance group known as KEMO that works at Kennesaw Mtn. (Civil War battle field park) and we keep up with the trails, and look after the area around the trails that are accessible by people, cleaning up trash, erosion control, re-vegetation...ect.

okay, i am just thinking aloud here, but does it seem to anybody else that the show was just put on tv to show the terrorist acts that the Sea Shepherds are comitting? or am i just progressing to a new level of insanity?

well i pretty much have the veiw towards the sea shepards and sed view is that it is somewhat a form of terrorism. How would you like it if you were simiply fishing when a bunch of renagades started to throw stink bombs and lemons at your crew, i'd be pretty pissed.

dude, i'd load a rifle and start picking targets!
field day!

haha me too.

oh, crap, we might have just offended WW. should we edit our comments?

No, because your defending your vessel. If i saw any of these quacks come up on my starboard...I would not kill them however loads of pain. ECHO 1 MINIGUNS, SPUD CANNONS, PAINTBALL GUNS, FLASHBANGS, SMOKE BOMBS, and of course the HP of my large boat....

Other than that:
IM ON A BOAT - T PAIN

man, you don't have any Willy Pete on board? shame on you.

Quote :

2 ice class meduim ships
1 US coast gaurd patrol boat

@ WW, 3 Ships, against a Fleet of over a few hundred, you would have better luck trying to swat a fly with a Battleship !!

Their reasons/Principles/Hearts may be in the right Place, but the way they are attempting to effect a change, is boardering on the point of being Fruitless. They may stop Ship number 1 from getting a specific Whale, but Ship number 2 that is 5 Miles behind will get it for sure.

As Far as Breaking International Law ??? What nation or groups of Nations control or have Jurisdiction over the Open Seas ???

wait, Slob, isn't it true that America controls the waters 50 - 100 miles from American shoreline, with the exception of the Bering Strait?

well, they save whales, that is a big thing, the estimates; 500! but that seems a bit high, so to date?

Nope,

International waterways extend to 20 Miles from solid land or principalities of host nations, open to all commercial /private agencies and companies, America has a Security zone out to 50 Miles from its solid land or Principalities, all vessels entering are subject to search and seizure when violations are found to warrant this action.

(the US navy/coast guard KICK BUTT) slob Germany's how are they?

MMMM, They Got their own Subs, thats about all I Know, sorry

are they diesels, (time to talk like Bush) nuckyuh-ler, or diesel-electric?

ok, heard about them, impressive....... some of the best

and local Asofter j-head999 saw a seashepherd truck

he just had a bumper sticker sort of thing. i don't reckon we have our own branch of the Sea Shepherds Organization, though. i mean, the closest sea is the Gulf of Mexico, about 600 miles away. unless they operate in a man-made reservoir called Elephant Butte... i'm sure there's loads of whales there...

and seals and dolphins and sharks

oh yeah. haha, we have coral there, and it was transplanted. oh, and a couple of gold fish.

I saw it once and loved it. It wasthe episode when captain, steve i think, was shot.