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Gerber Private
Posts : 31 Join date : 2010-02-16 Age : 30 Location : keizer
| Subject: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:09 am | |
| Does anyone have any recommendations for grenades or clamores? | |
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lonesniper24 Colonel
Posts : 1714 Join date : 2008-10-23 Age : 29 Location : Cheyenne, Wyoming
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:08 am | |
| areyou willing to spend money | |
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Gerber Private
Posts : 31 Join date : 2010-02-16 Age : 30 Location : keizer
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:21 am | |
| I am willing as long as it is reusable. | |
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iliveforthis99 Colonel
Posts : 1492 Join date : 2009-04-18 Age : 35 Location : Virginia
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:08 pm | |
| Don't bother with reusable grenades. They really aren't very good or worth the money. If you want to use grenades exploding pea/BB grenades are the way to go. | |
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lonesniper24 Colonel
Posts : 1714 Join date : 2008-10-23 Age : 29 Location : Cheyenne, Wyoming
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:10 pm | |
| well theres them remote controle claymores thats what i was thinking as for nandes just look throw the genral descusson forum | |
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Jarhead999 76 65 General Grade 2
Posts : 4940 Join date : 2009-04-29 Age : 92 Location : Rio Rancho/NW Albuquerque, New Mexico, Socialist States of Obama
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:58 pm | |
| Claymores take a lot of time to train with. If you're setting them on a tripwire, it's gonna be a "Watch your language" to get it just right. You have to set the tension just right, and that will take you a good amount of time to learn | |
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lonesniper24 Colonel
Posts : 1714 Join date : 2008-10-23 Age : 29 Location : Cheyenne, Wyoming
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:02 pm | |
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Jarhead999 76 65 General Grade 2
Posts : 4940 Join date : 2009-04-29 Age : 92 Location : Rio Rancho/NW Albuquerque, New Mexico, Socialist States of Obama
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:06 pm | |
| From the reviews I've read, that particular Claymore takes nerves of steel to load and the clacker is unreliable. I wouldn't recommend it. | |
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NoNeed2Hate General
Posts : 2005 Join date : 2009-05-21
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:19 pm | |
| i have used a claymore before. they are a pain in the butt. as jarhead said its impossible to get the tension right on the first try. also even with the remote its dangerous. i was setting up a claymore and i flicked the safety off a little too hard and it almost exploded in my face. but proper military procedure is standing to the side. so luckily thats what i was doing when it went off. claymores are a pain if you don't know how to use them but awesome if you are godlike and have nimble feather fingers. Tornado grenades are pretty sweet. i have felt the wrath of one... it totally blows haha literally. | |
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Gerber Private
Posts : 31 Join date : 2010-02-16 Age : 30 Location : keizer
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:48 pm | |
| You see I was thinking a clamore or two wouldn't hurt as a back up plan. Ecspecially with the Vietnam-like area I play in. | |
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NoNeed2Hate General
Posts : 2005 Join date : 2009-05-21
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:49 pm | |
| claymores are difficult to use. as i said they are extremely sensitive. its just as likely to go off on you instead of the opposition | |
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Reaper Corporal
Posts : 175 Join date : 2009-05-08 Age : 31
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:25 pm | |
| I say not to invest in either. Use the money for a sidearm or better yet to trick out your gun. | |
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AFU Moderator
Posts : 423 Join date : 2008-10-27 Age : 35 Location : Lake Arrowhead
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:51 pm | |
| I once asked this same question at my local airsoft retailer (Or as local as I can get) and the guy there told me the only grenade worth buying is the Tornado Airsoft grenade. Unfortunately I have not bought it and have never seen it used.
So I suggest doing some research on that grenade, see if you can find someone who has it. But they are expensive. | |
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Zane Major
Posts : 920 Join date : 2008-09-05 Age : 114 Location : In a place
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:54 pm | |
| I like the ones you attach to the barral of your weapon..I use a cheap little pistol..excelent for clearing roomsthe BB sets of a trigger and it shoots anywere from 8-220 heading out (depending on which ones you buy)..and you don't have to go looking for the grenade after you use it as for claymores..mak your own..theres tons of videos on youtube on making airsoft claymores. (you use a rap trap so its chewp ) And if you want to get fancy you can even use a RC servo to act as a remote switch | |
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sniper_32 Colonel
Posts : 1529 Join date : 2009-01-18 Age : 31
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:07 pm | |
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iliveforthis99 Colonel
Posts : 1492 Join date : 2009-04-18 Age : 35 Location : Virginia
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:11 pm | |
| Grenade launchers now are pretty sweet. Buddy of mine just got the MadBull XM203 and it's pretty nice. They do have limited range though and work best with small loads of BBs. You really don't even the launcher for the airsoft 40mm's, you can shoot the off by hand. | |
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Gerber Private
Posts : 31 Join date : 2010-02-16 Age : 30 Location : keizer
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:21 pm | |
| How exactly do the grenade launchers work? Does it just shoot a handful of bbs somewhere, or what? | |
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Spl. Durkee General Grade 2
Posts : 4652 Join date : 2009-03-28 Age : 67
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:24 pm | |
| - Gerber wrote:
- How exactly do the grenade launchers work? Does it just shoot a handful of bbs somewhere, or what?
Pressurized green gas is stored in a reservoir...upon firing, it is released forward...pushing projectiles forward. Projectiles are usually BB's (ranging on ammounts)...but often can fire "rockets" or smoke emmitters. Really Pushing your Luck with the Signatures Dancing very close to a Temporary Ban, Durkee | |
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Omega Lambda Major
Posts : 844 Join date : 2009-06-15 Age : 32 Location : Seattle/Whidbey Island, WA
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:25 am | |
| I tried building a claymore. I've spent maybe 30 or 40 hours on it so far and it still doesn't work right. I'd say the most essential parts of a homemade claymore are taught, non-stretchy fabric between the rat trap arms, a sturdy trigger mechanism, good legs, and strong fishing line; strongest there is. All that, and you still have to be very careful when setting it up. It may take a few minutes. I've found it to be impractical on the field, so I stopped working on mine. If only I could have one or two of those claymores from COD that you can set up in two seconds!
Lately, I've been looking into both the Tornado and the Thunder B grenades. They're both impractical for woods, which is primarily what I play now, but for urban or CQB I can see that either or both could be very practical and effective.
There is a distraction device kit for the Tornado, but that means temporarily turning your $100 grenade into a 50-use $115 distraction device. This is only practical if you will only want one or the other during a game and you'll know beforehand which one. If you want both during a game, you can buy another Tornado and have one frag-sim and one DD, but that would be $100 for the one PLUS $115 for the other (add another $10 for propane and lube for both).
The Thunder B grenade is $23 for a trigger assembly and 3 shells. This grenade consumes a shell and a 12g CO2 cartridge every time it is used. 12 extra shells are $19 and CO2 is about $15 for 25 cartridges, but is also available in most places by the 5, 10, 15, 50, or even individually. This actually brings the price to $129 for 51 uses if the trigger assembly doesn't break or start to leak. I would actually anticipate that a trigger assembly would last through its 3 packaged shells and an additional 12 or so before breaking if proper care is taken. A more conservative estimate in that case would be $104 for 30 uses.
Hold on now, doesn't that mean having two Tornado grenades is more economical than having one of each? Well, that depends on how often you plan to use your DD and for how long. The Thunder B is somewhat more fragile than the Tornado, so its trigger assembly will need to be replaced every so often or after a very harsh throw. The most fragile piece on the Tornado is the end cap, which can be replaced as part of a repair kit costing $15. If you plan on using both a frag-sim grenade and a DD in a game, you could get one of each brand, or two Tornado grenades and a DD kit to convert one of them.
Essentially, if you plan to use your distraction device 30 or fewer times, it would be cheaper to go with the Thunder B. If you want something incredibly durable that will last, go with a Tornado either for frag-sim or a DD. This raises the question of how effective a distraction device actually is in airsoft when compared to a frag-sim grenade. In close-quarters situations where friendlies or, depending on the scenario, hostages or civilians could get hit, a DD would be preferable to a frag-sim grenade.
If you haven't already, check out the Misc. Weapons forum under Airsoft Weapons on this site. I linked a funny/informative vid on the thread labelled "Tornado Grenade"
Overall: I recommend an M203. I know I didn't discuss it, but it doesn't need my support to be awesome. Works in all environments. BUT, in urban or CQB situations, a Tornado grenade could be much more versatile and effective (not to mention cheaper) than an M203 and shells. | |
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TechGeek001 Private
Posts : 33 Join date : 2009-11-09 Age : 33 Location : Seattle, WA
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:24 am | |
| As far as an M203 goes, don't be fooled into thinking they're perfect little weapons of death. They take forever to load, and the ones I've seen have iffy reset capability. Not worth the price to me anymore. | |
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slob212 Moderator
Posts : 1489 Join date : 2008-09-05 Age : 113 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:06 am | |
| Regardless of what type of AS Grenade you are going to use, they are all a pain in the backside.
40mm ( M203 ), take a bit to load and unless you invest in top quality, they are prone to all kinds of problems, BB´s falling out, gas leaks, reduced effectivness during cold weather.
The Tornado AS Hand Grenade is probably the best on the market, again the same problems with gas ( Reduced Power ), unreliable detonation delay ( varies between 3 to 15 seconds ), only really effective in CQB/CQC play, in open field even grass greatly reduces the operation of the grenade.
Then there is the hassle of recovery, unless you are involved in Speed Games, the use of any grenade just disrupts play,
ie, you storm and clear a building or trench line, get ready to Charlie Mike, `` Hang on, I have to go back and get my grenades. ´´, and unless you are playing in clean cleared out buildings, it can take forever to locate every grenade thrown, after loosing 1 or 2, none get thrown again. | |
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Jackofalltrades Corporal
Posts : 181 Join date : 2009-04-18 Age : 33 Location : Washington
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:46 pm | |
| I shot my friends grenade launcher and it was depressing. | |
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Jarhead999 76 65 General Grade 2
Posts : 4940 Join date : 2009-04-29 Age : 92 Location : Rio Rancho/NW Albuquerque, New Mexico, Socialist States of Obama
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:02 pm | |
| slob, what does "Charlie Mike" mean? My field owner had a Tornado he would occasionally throw out just to mess with people. That thing seemed to work pretty well. - Quote :
C.M. =Charlie Mike=Continue Mission Greets, slob212 Ah, thanks slob!
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TechGeek001 Private
Posts : 33 Join date : 2009-11-09 Age : 33 Location : Seattle, WA
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:36 am | |
| - Jackofalltrades wrote:
- I shot my friends grenade launcher and it was depressing.
It was, wasn't it? | |
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Omega Lambda Major
Posts : 844 Join date : 2009-06-15 Age : 32 Location : Seattle/Whidbey Island, WA
| Subject: Re: Airsoft grenades? Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:01 am | |
| Bear in mind, an airsoft 40mm grenade isn't supposed to be particularly long range, it's just supposed to cover an area with a blanket of fire for a moment. High expectations should be reserved for expensive shells, but whatever shells you use, it is what it is.
When considering any piece of kit for airsoft, erase from your mind how awesome it was in COD (or wherever) and think about what exactly the airsoft version does. Generally, things are what they are and it's up to the consumer to decide whether they're worth their price.
As far as I know, there are no impractical pieces of airsoft kit. Everything serves a purpose. You just have to be sure that the equipment you want is a means to an end, rather than an end in itself. | |
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