What makes a systema a systema?

Actually the Systema he had used was probably not the MAX model. You can also have these systemas upgraded to have insane performance like you would with a cheaper brand only with proprietary and expensive parts.

Our team had the oppuritunity to get fully upgraded systemas + the complete cylinder kits. However the team that was going to donate to us could not afford all of their old guns because they sold them.

I am not sure if the model my friend played with was a max or not... but 1) Even the challenge kit costs 4 times as much as a Classic Army or Tokyo Marui... 8 times as much as an Echo 1 almost. 2) The guy he borrowed it from plays for one of the BEST teams around Ohio... so even if it wasn't a Max, it should have been tuned very well considering. 3) I like shooting guys that have $1200 guns when I am using a $200 or cheaper gun.

Couldent agree more Seabass after you shoot them you should say "so was your $1,200 worth it?"

Nope systemas are not worth it, but we would have gotten them free so who cared? lol. I can make a $100 JG G36C better than a systema on a $200 upgrade budget and i have done exactly that.

I agree with Seabass(welcome back buddy!!!!!), The systema's are a little lacking in performance for the price. Although the cool factor is amazing, its a really nice gun to shoot, but the gun doesn't necessarily shoot nice per say. Any of the PTW upgrades cost a crap ton too, and the motors seem to crap out allot do to motor bushing problems.

Sorry if I made them sound Don't use the Lord's name in vain. like, they arn't. They're just really really fun to shoot.

little off topic but Seabass, A few friends were considering making 'Striker Killer' patches... Is CarRAMROD in? Just as a joke, nothings really finalized yet...

sticks

oh alright
so for future notices, don't get a systema. Got it.

My out take on the SYSTEMA PTW´s is so,

They are a Collectors Gun,

For the amount of money to buy one, in comparison to the performance that they deliver, these guns are for collectors that have real Deep Pockets.
From the first day that you purchase a PTW you will be saving money for Up-Grades, Parts, Repairs, and Extras that also have a huge price tag.

SeeBass hit the nail right on the head, for the amount of money that a PTW costs, you can buy, upgrade and outfit any other gun to be on the same performance level ( in most cases even better ) than a PTW, and still have a large chunk of money left over.

The SYSTEMA guns do have that added `` Ohhhh A PTW ´´ air about them, and I think that it is just based on Rumors and wild stories about how `` Phenomenal ´´that they perform, and most Players have it in their heads that if `` It´s good enough for local Law and the Military, it will be the Best on the playing field.

Yes it is nice to be able to change the FPS in about 10 seconds, Yes it´s pretty cool that the gun stops shooting after the last BB has been shot, Yes it adds realism to the game for the Player that has one in order to put the gun into operation you have to operate it just like the Real Steel big Brother, but on the other hand, Having replacement GB´s or Parts on hand other guns can be adjusted in thier FPS limits, takes longer but that is also part of the fun in AS, I know right away when my magazine is empty, my guns are louder, so just like the PTW owner I have to change mags, as far as realism goes, I Play Mil-Sims, and I get all the REALISM that I need, putting the gun into operation like the real thing would be more of an annoyance than fun.

Last bit of information for you about the SYSTEMA PTW´s,

If you change the Air Cylinder in the first 12 months, you void the warranty,
SYSTEMA gives their PTW,s an average Life Span of 1500 BB´s before maintenance is required, and all maintenance is to be done by certified SYSTEMA Mechanics.

So in closing, INHO The PTW´s are for Collectors, the average Player will just drive themselves to the poor house trying to keep their guns at the best performance level possible, and they will continue to be hit by the Players on the Field with the Echo-1, JG, TM, CA, RS, ........
AEG´s.

well as for the cylinders i know off my head that there is black blue and gold.....and i have fired a systema with a Trijicon ACOG (thise are $1000)-

I'm sorry for opening a thread that has been closed since 2009 but, it seems nobody here can give an accurate opinion of this weapon. There hasn't been an actual PTW owner post a reply... until now. I own a PTW. I love my PTW. It cost a lot of money. Thats not why I love it. I love the realism that a PTW affords me. I am a professional war-fighter who spends a lot of time with a m16/m4 in my hands. This is the only airsoft replica that feels like a real weapon. I need a weapon with a functioning bolt catch. I need a weapon with realistic weight. I will give an unbias pro/con list so you can form your own opinions. I can't go into complete detail because this is a very in-depth weapon system. To dispel performance or lack there of rumors I can tell you that there are only two major issues with the weapon. Both, I might add are easily and cost effectively overcome. These issues are Hop-up and motors. The new motors burn out and need to be re-wound. The hop-up bucking is too narrow and over time loses effectiveness. In my opinion the realism and performance out weighs its down falls. I own a 2007 which has the good motor. I've owned it since '08 and never had a problem. I'm starting to get a few stray rounds every now and again and my gun will soon receive a Hop-up mod. It will cost less than fifty bucks.

My Pros:
Real weight rifle AND Magazines
Low cap, spring loaded mags that don't need winding
above average range, accuracy and power
easily adjustable FPS
accepts 95% RS parts (even RS AR15 upper and lower receivers can be modded!)
functioning bolt catch
Handles 11.1v Lipos
advanced electronics that work extremely efficiently (one tap of the trigger=one revolution of the action. The piston wil never stop halfway in the cylinder)
Bullet proof gear box

now some cons:
2008-09 motors need to be re-worked but, electronic got even better
Hop-up needs to be re-designed
Sub-par aluminum castings of receivers (seen a few break if dropped hard)
cost...?

End State: you either hate them or love them. Its mostly the difference between owning one or not. You have to really understand the weapon system to achieve full potential.


Feast your eyes...
Recently stripped of her rails and bells and whistles... Just classic Colt Commando!
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Wooaaah that's the sexiest M4 I've ever seen...

e30m50tu wrote:

I love my PTW. It cost a lot of money. Thats not why I love it. I love the realism that a PTW affords me. I am a professional war-fighter

^Lolwut??
Don't sweat the Necro-post, you provided valuable input. I like what you did with it, Alot. the XM is sucha sexy gun, much more so than modern-day M4's. I think it is so under-rated.
Good to hear you're pleased with yours, however several of these fellas are AirSmiths (\"Watch your language\" good ones at that) and I value their opinion as well. Glad to see the other side though, brings new light on the subject.

dude! that's the most awesome m4 I've ever seen!

It's just a Commando with an aimpoint

But I suppose anything with "Systema" on it is the most awesome thing ever created ever...

DrummerBoyz95 wrote:

It's just a Commando with an aimpoint

But I suppose anything with "Systema" on it is the most awesome thing ever created ever...

Like Apple?

Idunno. Honestly now when we get down to it, the purpose of an airsoft replica is to shoot little plastic ball bearings.
My dinky little G&G M4 does that quite well. Heck, my old Cyma AK starter does it quite well (as well).

I just don't see enough of a difference in the ball-bearing-shooty-ness going on to make a $1000+ price tag anywhere near reasonable.
Because...it does exactly the same thing...and when you get up into the Systema ROF, it's like they got down-syndrome Steve working realism department.

Great, it weighs as much as a "real gun"...but so do many other full-steel replicas...and 7lbs of empty weight shouldn't cost you $800 extra.

I see where people are coming from when they buy it though. Systema has good products...but their public image is the real selling point.

(BTW, e30m50tu...it's not a "weapon system"...it's an airsoft replica.)

Spl. Durkee wrote:

DrummerBoyz95 wrote:

It's just a Commando with an aimpoint

But I suppose anything with "Systema" on it is the most awesome thing ever created ever...

Like Apple?

Idunno. Honestly now when we get down to it, the purpose of an airsoft replica is to shoot little plastic ball bearings.
My dinky little G&G M4 does that quite well. Heck, my old Cyma AK starter does it quite well (as well).

I just don't see enough of a difference in the ball-bearing-shooty-ness going on to make a $1000+ price tag anywhere near reasonable.
Because...it does exactly the same thing...and when you get up into the Systema ROF, it's like they got down-syndrome Steve working realism department.

Great, it weighs as much as a "real gun"...but so do many other full-steel replicas...and 7lbs of empty weight shouldn't cost you $800 extra.

I see where people are coming from when they buy it though. Systema has good products...but their public image is the real selling point.

(BTW, e30m50tu...it's not a "weapon system"...it's an airsoft replica.)

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killjoy, get over it. we were all basking in the glow. that thing just looks BA. and who cares if he calls it a weapon system.

A. sniper wrote:

killjoy, get over it. we were all basking in the glow. that thing just looks BA. and who cares if he calls it a weapon system.

Calling it a "weapon system"..."weapon"...or any other aggressive term is poor representation of our sport.

We are not soldiers, Marines, or sailors...we are not in "war", but rather a vague simulation of "war"...we do not use "weapons". We are not militants...we are mil-sim'ers, wargamers, and reenactors. Using such terms in descriptions of airsoft result in a public image of our sport that will quickly lead to public unease and the resulting government restrictions.

If you enjoy the privilege of playing this game, which is banned in many nations, I would expect you'd deal with the minor inconvenience of using different words.

Spl. Durkee wrote:

A. sniper wrote:

killjoy, get over it. we were all basking in the glow. that thing just looks BA. and who cares if he calls it a weapon system.

Calling it a "weapon system"..."weapon"...or any other aggressive term is poor representation of our sport.

We are not soldiers, Marines, or sailors...we are not in "war", but rather a vague simulation of "war"...we do not use "weapons". We are not militants...we are mil-sim'ers, wargamers, and reenactors. Using such terms in descriptions of airsoft result in a public image of our sport that will quickly lead to public unease and the resulting government restrictions.

If you enjoy the privilege of playing this game, which is banned in many nations, I would expect you'd deal with the minor inconvenience of using different words.

Durkee's right. Using the terms weapon, gun, or war doesnt make us look very good.
Seriously, call it an Airsoft Replica. First of all, you don't sound like a nine year-old, and second of all, it makes the whole sport look professional.
Back on topic... Personally I think Systema's are, well a huge waste of money. Like durkee said, they are just shooting plastic ball bearings, so why do they need to be exactly similar (Besides the whole BB fact xD)? (Anyways, I like the ability to dry fire. When I run out, other people don't know it xD)

alexkmmll wrote:

Anyways, I like the ability to dry fire. When I run out, other people don't know it xD

LOLOLOL

alexkmmll wrote:

Durkee's right. Using the terms weapon, gun, or war doesnt make us look very good.

There's nothing wrong with calling them guns because that's exactly what they are. A gun doesn't need to use a chemical reaction to propel a projectile, using magnetic force or some kind of energy based design and it'll still be called a gun. Tip toeing around that fact is just denying the truth.

iliveforthis99 wrote:

alexkmmll wrote:

Durkee's right. Using the terms weapon, gun, or war doesnt make us look very good.

There's nothing wrong with calling them guns because that's exactly what they are. A gun doesn't need to use a chemical reaction to propel a projectile, using magnetic force or some kind of energy based design and it'll still be called a gun. Tip toeing around that fact is just denying the truth.

Agreed

iliveforthis99 wrote:

alexkmmll wrote:

Durkee's right. Using the terms weapon, gun, or war doesnt make us look very good.

There's nothing wrong with calling them guns because that's exactly what they are. A gun doesn't need to use a chemical reaction to propel a projectile, using magnetic force or some kind of energy based design and it'll still be called a gun. Tip toeing around that fact is just denying the truth.

Not quite. Here's the definition from Dictionary.com.

Dictionary.com/Gun wrote:

A weapon consisting of a metal tube, with mechanical attachments, from which projectiles are shot by the force of an explosive; a piece of ordnance.

There's also that whole issue of an airsoft replica being non-lethal. So we're not tip toeing around any fact. Because the fact is simple to see.
An airsoft replica is not a gun, it is an air rifle.

Keep in mind the word "gun" is thrown around a lot so the common definition is skewed from fact.

Websters definition of a gun,

Quote :

c : a device that throws a projectile

. Like i said a gun does not need to use a chemical explosive reaction to propel a projectile. You are getting the same end effect with the compression of the piston in the cylinder in an airsoft gun. Not being lethal thus it isn't a gun is BS, an airsoft gun can be very very dangerous if mishandled and while it killing an average person is probably unlikely, it still has plenty of potential to do some major damage. Not calling them guns is just politically correct that is all.

Agreed though there are some items labeled as a gun that probably shouldn't be, stun guns and toy guns like the ones we all played with as kids as examples.

iliveforthis99 wrote:

Not calling them guns is just politically correct that is all.

I laugh! politically correct, hah! anyways, thank you for saving me the time and trouble of explaining the difference between a gun and a firearm. and although calling it a weapon system may be a little over-the-top there's no need to correct him on that, because a gun is technically a weapon, hence an airsoft gun could properly be called a weapon. all a weapon needs is the potential to harm someone for it to be a weapon. if an airsoft gun has no potential to harm anyone, why do we wear goggles?

A. sniper wrote:

why do we wear goggles?

So bbs don't harm my ey-Oh I see where you going with this.... Very nice, I totally agree.