Debate

Exactly, keep it simple, but if we wanted to do like official moderated debates like some people were thinking we would have time to prepare, then have to condense it to xamount of paragraphs sentences or words...

Hhmmmm, a Debate Section ???

To Debate what ???
Best AS Replica ? Topic exists.
Different Camoflage ? Topic Exissts.
Different Branches of service ? Topic Exists. ( Many Times )
Best Muscle Car ?
Bands ?
Bass player ?
HALO Player ?

All topics already exist,


I think an extra area would be redundant, the Lounge offers the opertunity to discuss and Debate any subject and topic, the MODS and ADMIN are pretty liberal with the Forum Rules and don´t go overboard with deleting or locking topics, ( maybe we should, Clean out the old, make room for some new ).

Just my thoughts on the idea.

Ya Slob but there is no place to debate POLITICS and RELIGION, and it seems like that's what the "people" want. Whenever it comes up, he have to "get back on topic" or the thread gets locked, even making a new thread in the lounge dedicated to it would be locked...

That's because it's the way admin wants it. Think about it, why the heII would you need to talk about religion and politics in a fuggin' AIRSOFT FORUM? As I have said several times, there are tons of debate-dedicated forums out there.

DrummerBoyz95 wrote:

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/

http://www.debatepolitics.com/

http://www.greatdebateforum.com/

http://www.puretalkforum.com/

http://debate-central.ncpa.org/forum/

Please?

The only things that should be debated anywhere CLOSE to this forum is the 'politics' that involve airsoft, such as the laws, rules, etc, anything 'political' or 'religious' pertaining to airsoft. There really is no need for a whole new private section to debate things that have no relation to airsoft whatsoever. People should go to other sites for that.

It's like saying, "Hey, your debate forum doesn't have anything about airsoft, make a new section for it!" or "Your sports forum doesn't have anything about cooking, make a new section!" It just doesn't make sense, nor is it necessary.

I understand completely what you are saying, but we have all the topics we need for airsoft, and the lounge is just sitting there.
I think every one who wants a debate section wants to debate against people ON THIS SITE, not on other sites.
I personally enjoy talking politics to people who share similar interests...

The lounge is just sitting there, eh? The lounge has the 3rd most topics in any section on this website... It's being used.

To quote the Administrator's own rules,

Lounge Rules wrote:

Please leave politics, religion, and other controversial “hot-topics” out of the lounge. That’s great if you’ve taken the time to research one of these topics and form your opinion about it, but an airsoft forum is no place to discuss it.

+11111

If you really desperately badly want to debate with members of this particular website, start an AIM buddy chat or something...

DrummerBoyz95 wrote:

The lounge is just sitting there, eh? The lounge has the 3rd most topics in any section on this website... It's being used.

To quote the Administrator's own rules,

Lounge Rules wrote:

Please leave politics, religion, and other controversial “hot-topics” out of the lounge. That’s great if you’ve taken the time to research one of these topics and form your opinion about it, but an airsoft forum is no place to discuss it.

+11111

If you really desperately badly want to debate with members of this particular website, start an AIM buddy chat or something...

And if you had taken the time to read you would know that those topics WOULD NOT be debated. (Unless we have a debate section) RIght now im looking at picking random stuff and having 2 people debate pro or con.

100% agree on that

Agian i don't see the point, as I clearly stated there will be no politics involved.

I know, just wanted to point that out. And I'm in as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

I agree with br33ftw. If something gets out of hand, I want out.

Perfect, we do not need to debate about religion or politics!

Like I said there will be no possible way for it to get out of hand with the topics given, As I said several times earlier no topics will consist of anythng not debatable, this includes-but is not limited to, religeon, politics, personal beliefs.

And if you don't have the self control to handle debate then your not welcome, pure and simple. And if you don't have the maturity to handle it you know it.

Theres no further point in bringing up the fact that there are politics involved, there aren't- and there never will be.

Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. Users post a subject located in category guides and their opening statement about it, followed by an unlimited number of rebuttals.

If you want to talk about something unrelated to airsoft, use the lounge. Excluding those items that are not permitted. Which in retrospect isn't a lot.

AFU wrote:

Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. Users post a subject located in category guides and their opening statement about it, followed by an unlimited number of rebuttals.

If you want to talk about something unrelated to airsoft, use the lounge. Excluding those items that are not permitted. Which in retrospect isn't a lot.

We're suggesting this in response to the closure and deletion of some recent "debates" in The Lounge.
It's difficult to maintain a perfectly legitimate debate while threads are being locked due to the 1 percenters out there causing trouble...

...theoretically a private section, moderated strictly by a neutral party and only allowing pre-screened members to participate, would cut down on the need to discontinue legit debates.

Or at least thats what I understand the purpose to be.

See, from what I was reading, it was sounding like you guys wanted to debate politics all over the place, and I objected.

Creed769 wrote:

Ya Slob but there is no place to debate POLITICS and RELIGION, and it seems like that's what the "people" want.

That's what I was against. I'm all for it as long as you guys debate worthy topics. That is, worthy for an airsoft forum.

AFU wrote:

Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. Users post a subject located in category guides and their opening statement about it, followed by an unlimited number of rebuttals.

If you want to talk about something unrelated to airsoft, use the lounge. Excluding those items that are not permitted. Which in retrospect isn't a lot.

If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about a judged and outlined debate, where two parties debate a given topic, instead of what we've already had going for the past 2 years or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't see any need for it. All I see is a bunch of guys with too much spare time on their hands, who want to change things up. Not to say I haven't been there before.

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If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about a judged and outlined debate, where two parties debate a given topic, instead of what we've already had going for the past 2 years or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That is EXACTLY right, were talking structured debat here...not a pissing contest between a bunch of people argueing for the sake of argueing.

IF you would kindly take the time to look at
this thread you will see what this is about.

I propose a trail run in the lounge section, and if it goes well--and theres alot of parcipatation-- we consider the private debate section, were those who have proven maturity in the lounge area will be allowed to debate any topic following said format.

If we do eventualy get the debate section we could have trail debates in the lounge area to see those who are mature enough, and those that are are iven access to the private section.

Zane wrote:

That is EXACTLY right, were talking structured debat here...not a pissing contest between a bunch of people argueing for the sake of argueing.

IF you would kindly take the time to look at
this thread you will see what this is about.

I propose a trail run in the lounge section, and if it goes well--and theres alot of parcipatation-- we consider the private debate section, were those who have proven maturity in the lounge area will be allowed to debate any topic following said format.

If we do eventualy get the debate section we could have trail debates in the lounge area to see those who are mature enough, and those that are are iven access to the private section.

Agreed, Zane. You have my full support.

As a varsity debator at my school and a dedicated member of this AIRSOFT forum, some questions arise:

What is your objective, and how will of better our airsoft community?
How will these debates be structured/outlined? (I.E. Lincoln-Douglas, Policy, or public forum...which each have seperate rules which seem very dificult to follow over the Internet...)
Are these supposed to be competitive meaning there will actually be a winner and loser/s?

I'll need to more before I side....I am iffy of this idea on an airsoft forum. However, of we can accomplish a structured argumentive section (even though we have many....this whole forum) where clean debates take place....well I just may have join the fun

Honsostly we will be using zanypoo rules

it will be a structured debate between two people of simular skill levels, the format will be each have one point, one rebuttal and one counter statement. This will occur over a two week time, and yes there will be a a clear winner and looser.

As for the goal..my goal here is to increase peoples capacity for debate and perhaps teach them that just arguaing makes you look like a idiot., weres debate will get you more respect..even if the other side doesnt agree with you.

Zane wrote:

As for the goal..my goal here is to increase peoples capacity for debate and perhaps teach them that just arguaing makes you look like a idiot., weres debate will get you more respect..even if the other side doesnt agree with you.

....I like this and I think you have a good idea. I'll follow this more closely.

DrummerBoyz95 wrote:

I'm pretty sure this website and it's administration panel are still limited to the features of the free forum hosting company it was started on. That's not much...

Ha, I wish this forum was free to host. No, I do pay fees to hold this domain name and for the hosting. However, I am still limited on what I can do because of the software's limitations and my own programming limitations.

slob212 wrote:

I think an extra area would be redundant, the Lounge offers the opertunity to discuss and Debate any subject and topic, the MODS and ADMIN are pretty liberal with the Forum Rules and don´t go overboard with deleting or locking topics

Agreed.

AFU wrote:

Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is.

Although there's a little sarcasm in there (), I have to agree with AFU. The forum IS a "debate" section. A forum is designed to allow people with the same interests to get together and discuss (or debate) their common passion. More often than not, it's people with differing views on the subject discussing their opinions & experiences, and learning more about their hobby. If you want to go on to say that an actual "debate" is different than a "discussion" like we have here on the forum, such as being more intense/heated, then I would prefer there to be no debates held here at all. I want to keep Airsoft Allies a (fairly) relaxed place where people can get along, despite not always agreeing on things.

Debates lead to hurt feelings. And that is not what I want for this forum or its members.

Also, it was suggested that topics other than airsoft should be debated. That's great if you're passionate about things other than airsoft, but it's best for the forum if those topics are debated on forums designed for that particular subject. We have a lounge that, as Slob pointed out, is fairly relaxed with what we allow being said in it. However, if you're looking for an educated debate on a topic like gun control, then maybe it's best you visit a forum more suited for it.

If we were to JUST debate airsoft-related topics, then what's the difference between that and the forum as it is right now? In the forum people post their opinion, based on facts (hopefully), and then other people can add to the statement, disagree with it, tell their personal experiences to support their claim, etc.

I don't mean to step on any toes here, and I appreciate your wanting to improve the forum, but I simply don't see anything like this happening for Airsoft Allies. I'm always willing to hear new ideas for the forum though, so please keep thinking! Message me if you have any questions/ideas, or email me at alliesforum(at)gmail.com.

I like what doubletap said whats really the point i think most people come here to discuss airsoft and when they have something weird to say they put it in the lounge. I think the best thing to ask for is that debate topics are clearly labeled in the name as a debate and they should not just be deleted if someones dumb. The people participating in the debate should just ignore the stupid person and let the mods delete that users post and/or ban him/her until said debate is over.
My two cents