What is Milsim?

ok, I just want to know what everyone's opinion of what is milsim is. I.e. equipment, conduct, communication etc.

so tell me, what is your idea of milsim?

Very realistic airsofting utilizing real military tactics, realistic gear, and realistic loadouts.

Jarhead999 76 65 wrote:

Very realistic airsofting utilizing real military tactics, realistic gear, and realistic loadouts.

well put jarhead. would you care to elaborate on one or all of those items? (its for the kids man, for the kids....) haha

To illustrate my definition for yall, let me put it this way. I have bought a piece of gear, found out it wasn't used by the Marine Corps, and sold it immediately. I have opted for the heavier, bulkier, less comfortable vest for the sake of realism. I would rather have a vest with no ventilation whatsoever than a lighter, cooler vest not used by the Marine Corps. I would rather wear MARPAT in an evironment that doesn't match than wear a camo that does. I would rather spend $20 on RS mag pouches than $5 on knock offs. I would rather hump a 25 pound radio up a 30% grade for the sake of realism than not carry it and risk being unrealistic. That's my MilSim, I'm a diehard about it, haha.

Milsim does not always have to use a specific kit. Milsim is the recreation of a military operation, or the simulation of a possible military operation. This means if its a 3 day operation with no breaks, people carry a 3 day pack/rucksack with everything they need to complete the mission. MILSIM is an objective based game, usually with more realistic objectives than an open play or something similar. So instead of using a brick as the "bomb" like you would in an open play, at a MILSIM event there might be a working training "bomb" to defuse. Same goes or anything else on the field.

In short, MILSIM is trying to get as close to a real military operation as possible.

sticks

There is a ruleset utilized by ''mil-sim'' organizations to guide a more ''realistic'' simulation...often comprising of magazine/ammo limits, FPS/ROF restrictions, uniform/gear specifications, and age limits. Such scenarios are often in large and/or highly dense environments in order to slow gameplay to a ''realistic'' level suitable for the environment and scenario (no speedball for you!). In all reality, any game/field/team can label themselves ''mil-sim''...and its easy to do because there are so many definitions of ''milsim''...cuz if you you really look at the word, technically airsoft, paintball, reball, simunition, lasertag, water-gun, fencing, and hitting your friends with a rubber sword is...''military simulation''...or ''mil-sim''. EDIT: DAMMIT STICKS! HAHAH YOU POSTED RIGHT BEFORE I PRESSED SEND.

No babies. Realistic, more squad-based.

P.S. I had a guy that was saying he calls himself out when he runs out of ammo.... Definitely not milsim. BUT, he ended up getting permabanned from the field due to safety breaches and rule breaking.

He called himself out when he ran empty? Noob! Everyone knows you're supposed to get out your rubber knife and fight 'till you're hit!

Drummer hit a good note that I totally skipped over. It is quite possibly the most important part of a MILSIM game.

CHAIN OF COMMAND! Milsim has to have a strict command structure to make a good event. These games usually have squads with a squad leader that follow a template(5 rifleman per 1 SAW etc). There may be 10 squads per side at the event. This makes it possible to have up to 2 platoons, each platoon having a XO(force commander). The XO gets their orders from the CO(commanding officer). This is just a rough template which can vary allot from game to game.

sticks

Just to re-enforce some of the comments already made,

A good MILSIM/ASLARP, has a solid Story line, with well thought out objectives and specific mission goals, useing some or all aspects of the Military ways of conducting Training or Operations in a hostile enviorment.

Some Players get way too wrapped around the axel as to how ``This´´ or ``That ´´ Unit conducts itself, `` NO WAY A TEAM WOULD DO THAT !!! ´´, well not to bust your bubble but this is AirSoft, not the real world, and we do not have the assets available to use that any military organization does.

A MILSIM with a solid Chain of Command, that interprets the information correctly, passes it down so that all know what is going on and what is to be expected, is going to be a relativly good event/game regardless of duration.

Some of the larger events here actualy start with information disimination months before the Game even takes place, Propaganda, New S2 informaton, Task organization, sub unit instructions, Primary and Secondary Objectives, Supply Routes, and on and on.........

As you get more involved in the AS Community, you are going to find yourself reducing the number of events that you participate in, if MILSIM is your Style of Play.

Consider this, You are going to be a CO of a 145 Player Company, your company is one of 3, you have to Task Organize your manuever elements ( Who is in what platoon ? ), what are everybodies capabilities, Fitness, Special Abilities.
You get your Warning Order, now we are going into Detail, slowly but surely.
New information starts to trickle down from S2 ( ORGAS ), plans get changed, Special Teams ( Snipers, Demo, Recon....) are now allowed and called for.

You go to the Mailbox, your Mission Packet has arrived !!! Maps, Overlays, Code Cards, S4-5 Capabilities, OP Order, Minimum Required Tools and Equipment. OOHHHH JOY !!!!!

Now it comes down to you, getting in contact with your 2IC ( 3IC ), issuing your warning Order, Contacting other Company Commanders, Discussing each mission requirement, Coordinating this that and the other thing, and all of this even before you get onto the playing field.

Then in true Military Fashion, Event/Game Starts, Everybody gets thier Safety Briefing, Commanders are called for final info dump, and the BOMB gets dropped, `` Oh, by the way, you are also tasked with CheckPoints, Establishing a JMC, sending out a Quartering Party for a Forward Base, ect, ect, ect.

No AS MILSIM is going to be exactly like the Military, but you would be amazed at how close some of the great events come.

As your game skills develop, your reputation grows, and your name gets known, the events get better and better, you will be looking for the challenge, doing your utmost to be a success, and believe me the rewards are fantastic, but no matter how hardcore, how realistic, it is still a Game. The winners as well as the losers should be leaving the field with the same exact feeling, `` F**K, That was Fun, When is the next Event !!!! ´´.

Milsim to me is exactly what it sounds like. A bunch of nerds (yes me included) who like to have fun in unconventional ways. Milsim is just us "nerds" playing a grown up version of cops and robbers or cowboys and indians. Because we have bigger pocket we have more room to stuff cash when we go shopping so we get nicer toys. Am I wrong????

Yes.

Just because you buy a nice/expensive gun does not mean you play milsim. That is very far from MILitary SIMulation.

Drummer, I know there is more to milsim. I was being a bit sarcastic on that last post. Sorry it may have seemed a little bit unclear to my meaning. The point of milsim in my mind is all about people wanting to have fun with what they love. For milsim players this means trying as much as possible to recreate real world situations and portray them as if it were a real situation. Players will try to dress the part and act the part of who they are trying to represent and complete the mission they are told they need to complete. For instance capture a bunker or get a captive. The list will go on. However to put it simply, you are having a real life battle between 2 or more groups of people just like any hostile part of the world. The difference being that you are using real life replica guns such as airsoft guns and you are all friends at the end of the day. No one gets hurt (normally) and you get to drive home to sleep in your own bed.

Question answered. Multiple times.
Thread lock mabeh?

Spl. Durkee wrote:

Question answered. Multiple times.
Thread lock mabeh?

not quite. i want everyone to voice their opinions of what milsim is, even the new players.

(insert what jarhead said HERE.)

@ Spl Durkee, not quite yet, everybody is still on topic, besides its not your Thread

@killyouno5

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However to put it simply, you are having a real life battle between 2 or more groups of people just like any hostile part of the world.

Actualy, in a good MILSIM, you try to achieve your objectives with the minimum amount of `` Battle ´´ as possible, some can not be avoided, but Murphys number 5 Law of combat applies better to Airsoft than to Real Life, `` If your Enemy is in Range, So are You ! ´´

@ slob,
yes that is true. However in MILSIM they are replica weapons that fire plastic pellets. What fun would it be to try to avoid all the fighting? I mean yes there are people that love that style of play however I like it more of a black hawk down type thing. Smallish area with plenty of contact with the enemy.

Different Strokes for Different Folks !!!

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I like it more of a black hawk down type thing. Smallish area with plenty of contact with the enemy.

Then I would call you a Re-enactor, Mil-Speed Gamer, or ASLARP-er

There are a multitude of variations to a MILSIM, and most here know that our style of play here is over a Loooonnnnggggg duration ( on average ), it is not that the community is hooked on long game play, but a vast majority want the in-depth, full blown, decision making, game influencing, MILSIM here. Completely different kind of Action, but just as rewarding.


Here is an example ( True Story ), from last months `` Small ´´ event,

I ended up getting a Platoon Lreader, that 1, was real young, 2, had never participated in a MILSIM, 3, had never lead a fireteam never mind a platoon, be that is it may, he wanted the Job, so deal with it.

His first mission was to establish a Forward Patrol Base, he got the general area in which to operate and his instructions to notify me as soon as he was set up, well he gathered up his platoon and moved out smartly, my thoughts were that I will be hearing from him in about 2-3 hours. To my surprise he radios in that he is set PB is established, and is awaiting follow on instructions. `` \"Watch your language\" this Guy is good !!! Set Up and Ready to go inside of 30 Minutes !!! ´´, I gotta see this !, I gathered up my HQ element, and off we go to his reported location and low and behold there he was, right where he said he was, and the entire platoon is Chillin Like a Villen !!!, perfect location for camping, nice flat flush ground, wide open, can see and be seen for miles around.

I asked him, `` Are you Sure ?? This is where you want your PB ?? ´´, `` Ahhh , Yup, it is as good a place as any. ´´. O.K. its his base, Time to Live and Learn.

I give him his next mission, Locate, Identify, expected Russian Training Camp located in a certain area, set up OPs and identify travel routes into and out of Said Base, be prepared to establish blocking positions when needed.

Robbie Ramjet, gathers up his platoon, leaves a 2 man security force for his PB, and off he goes looking for the Bad guys, Now to give him credit, his reporting was top notch, detailed, grids were right on the money, one of only 2 that did such a great job. Then the KaKa hit the fan, His PB got over run, security force taken by the local Militia, all left equipment confiscated to include Water and Rations, and he had absolutly no idea.

Night is starting to fall apon the playing field, he is told to pull back to his PB, establish Security Patrols around 2 of the local Villages, Report all movement of armed Civilians ( Militia ),
First Bomb Drops, Darnit !!! Where is my PB, Second Bomb Hits, Where is my Security Force ?? then the Napalm Strike, Where is our Gear ??? then to add insult to injury, an overpowering number of the Militia appears out of No-where, and i just lost an entire Platoon !! All Hit, Do not pass Go, do Not Collect 200 Dollars. Score one for the Militia !!!

At about three in the Morning, I mosey on down to the CCP ( Respawn Point ), to talk to the young man, they are just getting off the trucks and he is ranting and raving like a Madman, everybody screwed the pooch, it is not his fault, bla bla bla..............

After he checks in, I take him aside, I am not the type to eat your lunch over a mistake, especialy in a game, but I can\'t and will not put up with yelling at players, there is no call or need for it.

To make a long story short, he saw the errors of his ways, knows that he is responsible for everything his platoon does or fails to do, and addmited that he is lost and needs help. I talked to his Platoon, found some that had experiance being in a leadership position, and have more than 1 MILSIM under thier belts, so they took this young warrior under thier wings and guided him the rest of the way through the game, too which they shared some great victories ( without firing a single BB ), and some awsome actions against both the Russian Advisors, and Militia.

After the Game, this guy tracked me down, we popped a beer, and he said it was the best time he had ever had, long hours, constantly thinking, rethinking, adapting and learning, and that he can\'t wait for the next event, ( Personaly i thought it was an average Event ).

Sooooo What do we get out of this.......................???
A game is what you make of it, it can be a great time, or nothing but frustration.
If you are an action Junky, then stick to the Short Milsims, Speed Games or ASLARP events, if you want the full MIL experiance, then Track down those Long events, Detailed, Well Structured Events. To Each His/Her Own.

Oh ya I totally get what you are saying. And I agree with you there, there is a difference. And it may be that I like to have a bit of everything when I play. The duration of a fight is key. I like mine to be a full days worth if not a multi staged event. Also like the fact that you can go through a whole game without firing a shot. However there is a limit to how much I would like this. I would think that starting off the event for you know a good few hours of walking around avoiding fights and such and just observing how the enemy reacts and acts to different situations is a great deal of fun. However I also believe that you can reach your objective quicker and more effectively if you act on that you observe.

For instance lets say you have an all day event planed with two teams. The red and blue team to make it easy. Now the red team is the defending force and much keep a structure under their control until the end of that event. The blue team must try to capture that structure before the day is out. Now obviously there will be combat involved in this fight because it is centered around the contact of the two teams.

For the sake of my argument lets say both the red and blue team send out a small force (5-10 guys each) to do a little forward scouting to see what they are facing. Now the blue team have their recon group head off to the side of the main field while the red have theirs seek out a forward position more towards the middle of the field in order to get more precise numbers and such. The red team is able to sit in a tree line and wait for their moment to strike while the blue team is more or less forced to fight if they are spotted.

Now say the red team is spotted by some patrols and must retreat. They have a general idea of what they are up against but don\'t have a clear understanding because they were forced to back away to soon. The blue team however is able to observe the red teams position and get accurate numbers and such. This allows them to know what to do once the time comes to fight. The red team however has a more vague understanding of the blue team and must hope they can come up with a plan that will work in this situation.

Now you may be asking how this situation is related to the topic and I will tell you, this happens all the time. Or to the best of my knowledge. They send out spotters first and then they are able to attack. Sure they can siege the towers for days at a time but what fun is that? With information that can help them with making a aggressive advance they are able to finish their job quicker and frankly it just seems a ton more fun than sitting waiting to take someone out once every few minutes. Here you can make one swoop of the area and clear it out. Gives people more excitement I feel and just seems like a whole lot of fun. During all of this you are following standard military protocol and such so it is still considered mil-sim just a faster way of getting the job done.